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Natural Resources committee  We don't believe so.

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  We've just engaged in a collaboration with British Columbia and Natural Resources Canada to look at seismic, because there are a series of projects in B.C. on a fault that are running into some difficulty. How do they build these buildings completely out of wood and meet the high

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  Will be just as safe as any other building.

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  Obviously, any type of building, whether it's wood or concrete or steel, is going to have some modifications after the fact. Hopefully, in many cases, they'll draw a permit and do it correctly, but we know that that's not always the case. In the case of a wood building, for examp

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  That's actually a very good question because we've had discussions about this as recently as about two weeks ago. The big concern is not the fire. If you have a fire in a compartment, you remove those elements, like a box, and you replace them. The bigger concern is water. If you

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  Well, the beams are generally built in pieces. You're not going to transport something that's 60 feet.

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  You would take that piece out and replace it with another piece wherever it's charred. The beauty with the CLT, the composite laminate timber, which is what we've been testing, is it just burns and creates a barrier. It acts as a protection for the wood, and then it burns and i

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  To that point, the last four tests that we conducted over the last two months alone looked at varying degrees of exposed wood, for that reason. We know that architects are going to want to have nice beams exposed, so we've looked at anywhere from 30% to 40% exposed. The tests tha

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  Generally, you would never build a 12-storey building and burn it.

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  The fire's not going to start there. You're going to have an area of fire origin, and that fire is going to be contained within a compartment. What the committees do or what the researchers do is build a fire compartment, as would typically be seen in terms of what's currently r

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  There are loads on them.

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  They're comparable to any other type of construction. Obviously, if you leave a door open, whether it's built out of wood, out of concrete, or out of steel, you're still going to get smoke in that stairwell. The structure itself is intact and will perform as well as any other str

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  Yes. We don't put furniture in there. We put in cribs, which simulate furniture, with the same fire load. That's exactly how we do it. We put what would be typically in a room. We know, roughly, what the fire loads are in rooms, and that's what we set on fire. In some cases, we a

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  I'll just get the misconception out of the way. We're not looking at timber construction, we're looking at mass timber construction when we're talking about six storeys or 12 storeys. These function completely differently from other types of wood—two-by-four or two-by-eight type

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah

Natural Resources committee  I can't think of any adverse effects. With CLT, for example, you can decommission and reuse a CLT beam or column. So you're not taking it and chopping it up and reusing it, you're using the entire beam again—if you wish to use it again. I can't think of any adverse effects that

March 20th, 2018Committee meeting

Philip Rizcallah