Public Safety committee  In the early 2000s.

Public Safety committee  No, but we can get that for you, Mr. Chair.

Public Safety committee  That's correct. We don't have those statistics here.

Public Safety committee  Frankly, I don't know whether those statistics exist.

Public Safety committee  You're talking about a very broad question when you talk about drug use in an institution. There are various indicators, such as seizures, but we also have other factors. We know through intelligence, for instance, that there may be drugs in the institutions but we haven't seized

Public Safety committee  We do have urinalysis statistics; that's correct.

Public Safety committee  That's an example, yes.

Public Safety committee  I'm not aware of those statistics, but I can tell you that things like detector dog indications, things like ion scan positive hits, things like intelligence that we have within our institution can all be indicative without actually having evidence of drugs within the institution

Public Safety committee  I will commit that if there are those statistics available, in other words, if the timing of when we started the urinalysis program means the statistics are available, we will definitely make those available to the committee, Mr. Chair.

Public Safety committee  We scan items on people.

Public Safety committee  That is entirely possible, and we do know that there are some substances that could potentially cause false positives. That's why it's not meant as a determining factor as to whether somebody is denied a visit. It's part of a package of strategies or techniques to determine wheth

Public Safety committee  This raises a particular issue, and I want to be clear on the point. We're talking about ion scans in the context of visitors, but let's not forget that ion scans are used in the institution for other purposes as well. As I said, when we're searching cells and what have you, part

Public Safety committee  I'm not aware that throughout the United States it's been removed. I know there was a study conducted in New York where they talked about New York state removing them from....

Public Safety committee  That could very well be the case; I'm just not familiar with that. I do know that in the previous testimony that the doctor referenced, they did talk about the fact that a positive hit on an ion scan was the determining factor as to whether or not an individual was allowed in the

Public Safety committee  We do have treatment programs. First of all, each of the individuals is assessed when they come into our institution, based on their individual needs. They are provided programming based on whatever.... Addiction is obviously one of the issues very much considered when they come