Government Operations committee  Perhaps I can add something from a policy perspective. Elyse talked about the market-driven or the solutions approach. There's a new economy happening out there. If we can link those smaller businesses to larger businesses, the acceleration of that.... In our procurement policies

Government Operations committee  Both of us are, yes.

Government Operations committee  We think so. There are other parts, such as the VCAP that's going to be adopted in this government. I worked with Jim Flaherty in the previous government, and he asked me to be on a panel of that VCAP. We invested $400 million in the fund-of-funds and in incubators. There weren't

Government Operations committee  There are third party certifications. Elyse, what are the names of the two that we know of?

Government Operations committee  Just off the top of my head, they are in the U.S. and they're setting up chapters in Canada.

Government Operations committee  This was something that Elyse and I really pushed hard on. We would love Canadian and American women-owned companies to trade more aggressively. For women in Canada to access procurement in the United States and vice versa, we need trade, and we need to export our goods. It's one

Government Operations committee  Correct.

Government Operations committee  It isn't. It works quite well. I think we interviewed hundreds of people, and they are very, very responsive. I think the government side likes them and I think the people who participate, who look to get certified, find it an easy process, and a process that works.

Government Operations committee  Elyse, you can start.

Government Operations committee  Maybe if you had more women involved in making those.... I believe in Elyse: we need to make these investments now. We need to drive our economy and grow our economy. If we wait until we get the system perfect, it's not going to happen. But you could establish—

Government Operations committee  Yes, exactly, both at the same time, absolutely.

Government Operations committee  Our recommendation of third party certification is key. If we establish the rules correctly and fairly, and then have a third party certify that, I think that could make it easier.

Government Operations committee  I think it's a really important question. One reason Elyse and I have taken time out of our work is that we really believe in this as a great opportunity for our country. I think that women networks, business networks, can talk about this. We need to educate our society about th

Government Operations committee  Absolutely.

Government Operations committee  Yes, of women-owned businesses of more than 100 employees. That's a big challenge.