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Finance committee That is correct.
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee What happens is that, when you transition a business to the next generation, they would have to take funds out of that company to get cash personally, pay tax on those funds and then pay the parents the money. In our first column there, we have the transitioning of a business of
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee The parents could sell this business and could get their capital gain exemption on the portion that was within the limit. They were paying tax on the result, the capital gain in excess of the capital gain exemption. They were going to have $271,000 of tax to pay.
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee That's at the capital gains rate.
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee That's correct.
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee That's at the dividend rate. In order for the children to pull a net $2.75 million out of the company, they have to take a dividend of $4.3 million out of that company that's only worth $2.75 million. At the end of the day, if we were to have a sale to a family member today, with
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee Yes, it's 67%.
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee That's correct.
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee There is a prohibition in the act today that says that if you are trying to sell within a family, if you're trying to use any kind of capital gain exemption or any untaxed form of a gain, like 1971 V-day value, you cannot extract funds out of a corporate group to do that. If we w
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee That's taxed as a dividend.
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee In the second column there, we actually didn't look at the parents paying a dividend. We said that, with proper planning today, the parents would actually trigger the capital gain first, and then the kid's company could buy the shares. With proper planning today, we can get capit
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee The corporation could fund the purchase. Here, it actually costs the corporation $2.75 million now to pay $2.75 million.
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee Right, so we end up with a net tax of under 10% in Ontario today in that same scenario, but in the last column there, as I was showing, what would have happened—
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee We would like to just caution, again, that if we take away the capital gain rate and have it all at dividend rates, the consequence would be 101%.
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever
Finance committee We'd have to pull $5.2 million out of a company worth $2.75 million. The math doesn't work.
February 6th, 2020Committee meeting
Jennifer Kim Drever