Canadian Heritage committee  Also, Madam Chair, it's in the messaging. Here, I'd like to take a moment to tell you about a project that our orchestral department did called Life Reflected. We engaged three composers from across Canada who were female, with one male—I won't go through the names now, but the

Canadian Heritage committee  We strive very, very hard with artistic direction to achieve parity, and we believe that we have done so in all of our programming. Our awareness of this is top of mind at the NAC. Five of eight artistic directors and three associate directors are women. All programming departmen

Canadian Heritage committee  If I take the question as to what we could do at the middle management level, Madam Chair, I think that we do extremely well at encouraging all of our employees and our workforce to apply for all positions in senior management. Of course, you know the board level. We are GIC appo

Canadian Heritage committee  I think you did those numbers just to throw me off.

Canadian Heritage committee  No, I'm just kidding. Thank you.

Canadian Heritage committee  You're very kind. Thank you.

Canadian Heritage committee  Certainly in terms of the government, our pattern is set, Madam Chair. We, of course, go through the process of the open application. Then, if you could take a hundred applications or just distill them down to perhaps 25 who have the credentials to be brought forward to a commit

Canadian Heritage committee  Madam Chair, could I add one comment? We do not use headhunters, Mr. Shields, in our leadership or management at all. I have a tendency to agree with you, having gone through a couple of searches in the private sector on the boards that I sit on. I'm happy to say that our latest

Canadian Heritage committee  I would think, Madam Chair, that additional training needs to be done. If you look at comparators in the private sector, it was not fashionable even a decade ago to have any director training whatsoever. Now it would be very hard to get a board position in the private sector if y

Canadian Heritage committee  If I heard you properly, Mr. Van Loan, we don't have 17 members on the board. That's the artistic director level, I think, that you were referring to.

Canadian Heritage committee  I'm sorry; I can't hear the number.

Canadian Heritage committee  No, I'm sorry, that is incorrect.

Canadian Heritage committee  It's possibly the directors.

Canadian Heritage committee  Oh, we don't have emeritus directors. I'm sorry, I'd have to drill down on that. I apologize, but that's incorrect information.

Canadian Heritage committee  Did you say board parity?