Industry committee  —the rest of them. Yes, for sure. The Canadian Association of Learned Journals has been working for over 10 years to try to get the libraries to understand that Canadian publishing—journal publishing and monograph publishing—is fundamentally different from international publish

Industry committee  Our dealings with the Copyright Board have been very limited, but we believe it makes good judgments and those judgments should be respected.

Industry committee  No, we don't feel it's okay as is. Specifically, I made the point about educational institutions taking the education fair dealing right as an individual right for readers and basically making the material available again. They're republishing it inside course management systems.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  Basically, the lack of savvy is that when people and academics publish in a journal, they think that is making it public, and they believe that they have a right to do anything they want with an article they've handed over to a publisher that has copyright. They effectively think

Industry committee  Yes, the Canadian Association of Learned Journals supports that, and generally, Canadian journalists, I would say a good 90%, follow that policy and make it available within 12 months. We don't have a quarrel with that. What we worry about is whether the policy may end up going

Industry committee  No, we're concerned that it might go shorter than 12 months. It works for science journals. You can go shorter in some sciences, but in social sciences and humanities, and I was just doing some research on this, the 20 most used articles in one of the journals I am involved with

Industry committee  Do you mean extending it in the sense of requiring all the content of all journals?

Industry committee  Yes, we would support that, but with the understanding that journals add considerable value. They add it not only in the sense of peer review but through professional editing and professional layout, and so forth. There is work being done. We don't sit around and just collect a l

Industry committee  Sorry, but what are you quoting from?

Industry committee  Ours?

Industry committee  I'm sorry, it's doesn't immediately come—

Industry committee  Yes, I understand. What we were basically referring to was that there are various business models for moving forward. Some would immediately have all their content be open access and there wouldn't be anything more to it than that. There are other journals that earn considerable

Industry committee  Thank you very much. As the chair noted, I am Rowland Lorimer. I'm the founding director of the professional master of publishing program at Simon Fraser University and Treasurer of the Canadian Association of Learned Journals. I appear on behalf of the Canadian Association of L