Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  It is a contract problem.

Industry committee  I can speak only to my personal experience on this. It was always the large publishers that wanted all the rights. I never had that problem with a small publisher, who you would think would want all the rights and who would maybe make that demand even more strongly than the larger publishers would.

Industry committee  We will. We will take that on that task. Thank you.

Industry committee  I think you're talking about the pay-per-click model. Most of that is offered at such a low rate. It's a penny per click kind of thing, so if you have written a story or you've written a chapter of a book, you'll get a penny for every person who reads it. That could take a long time.

Industry committee  I suppose so, but I think you only have to look at what the models are now, and they certainly are skewed towards the person putting the material on the platform, not the person who wrote the material.

Industry committee  Thank you.

Industry committee  Perhaps there needs to be a different model, but universities at this point are claiming that they shouldn't have to pay a tariff for this material because it's being used for educational purposes and education should be free. To that, I would answer that education isn't free. Students pay tuition.

Industry committee  I can't speak for Access Copyright.

Industry committee  New York has just enacted legislation that is called “Freelance Isn't Free”. I think if Ontario, to start, and Canada perhaps, to follow, could do something like that, it would ensure that more authors are being paid for their work, particularly when it's done on a freelance basis and not by staff writers with newspapers and magazines.

Industry committee  I think we still do need the tariffs. We do need the universities, the libraries, and the other institutions, to pay their fees to Access Copyright because that really is the only way. I think it would be too difficult to develop some sort of an enforcement procedure. Who then is going to do that enforcement and how is that going to be carried out and that type of thing?

Industry committee  No, I don't. I don't understand the TPMs well enough to comment on that.

Industry committee  I think I would just add that, when it comes to published works, the Copyright Board does oversee those. I think what you're suggesting, a regulatory process as opposed to a legislative process, might be something that PWAC would definitely be interested in working on with you in further consultation.

Industry committee  That's very true. I think what we want to stress is that we do want to share our work, we want to have our work read and appreciated, and we want to be fairly compensated for that work. In past reviews, perhaps things were skewed a bit more to the end user, and somewhere the creator got lost in the shuffle.

Industry committee  I think the greatest fear is that, as more work does go from the print format to the electronic format and therefore can be shared much more quickly and more widely, the rights to that work will be lost. People find things on the Internet and they share them, and they don't necessarily take the time to figure out who wrote that in the first place and who that belongs to.