Industry committee  There are two ways in which universities double pay. The first one is that if we purchase a licence in print material and then we want it in digital, we have to pay for it again. Access Copyright doesn't deal very much in digital material, so that creates an issue. The second wa

Industry committee  I think there's general agreement on fair dealing. I think there are various points of concerns, partly related to the size of the university, with regard to how you manage copyright and whether you can be effective. For example, some universities opted out in 2012 and, when ther

Industry committee  Yes, absolutely.

Industry committee  Right.

Industry committee  I would hope there would be, but if, for example, we were paying in the $10 to $15 range, with the $2.38 plus the 10¢-per-page fee, then going up to $26 and then $45 would seem ridiculous to me. When we're doing our costs, if our students are $10 to $15 a student, why would I pay

Industry committee  I think this is a really important area for this committee to pay attention to.

Industry committee  Let me give you an example. We purchased not long ago a variety of CDs. This is how rapidly the technology changes. Now, of course, people want to stream the material live in their classrooms. If we want to do that, we have to pay for a new licence for exactly the same material.

Industry committee  That's a fantastic question. One of the values I think we hold near and dear as a country is choice. It seems odd to me that we would force institutions like ours to make one choice around something that is really important from an educational perspective. We have to balance the

Industry committee  It's possible, but I think you'd have to look at that very carefully. There would probably be sliding scales of cost, depending on what people would want to do. I think Access Copyright took some very draconian steps to try to protect users, and the associated decreased author fe

Industry committee  This is a really important question, because there have been many stories that tie the loss of revenue to authors to fair dealing. In fact, I would tie that loss of revenue to the digital revolution. We actually have a digital library. We do not have books in our library or very

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  I'll give a quick answer. At the universities right now, we are dealing with students who are digital natives, so you ignore digital content at your own risk when you're a professor.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  I have our policy here. I'll read the sanctions for people who are out of step with our policy: Employees and post-doctoral fellows who use material protected by copyright in violation of this policy may be subject to formal disciplinary action up to and including dismissal.

Industry committee  It's very, very serious. It has not happened, but we certainly have had sanctions before. For the students: Students who use material protected by copyright in violation of this policy may be disciplined under the Non-Academic Misconduct Policy— —which allows for expulsion