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Finance committee  Yes, certainly the appearance of that is there, along with, of course, labour standards. If I work more than 100 hours, I'm going to get $1,000; if I work any more hours than that but less than 200, that is all I'm going to get. As I said in my statement, it's a little bit ironic

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  Nobody is disputing that students need help at this time. They need assistance. I think everyone agrees with that. I think this money, including the $43.5 million, could have been much better put towards students, including paying students for work and providing them with not onl

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  No. Normally the procurement system doesn't allow for that. Normally it's a very labour-intensive process that you have to go through for any kind of contracting out. There are requests for proposals and all that. This was somewhat unusual, for sure.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  What I would turn my mind to is this. For any organization, if you say that's the only organization capable of doing this, and then you have to provide $43.5 million to ensure that this organization is able to deliver that program, that's what I think needs to be questioned.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  There was no consultation at all. I've checked with our members at ESDC. As far as I know, none of our members, anyway, were consulted either.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  I would have to say absolutely yes, for sure, without a question.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  That's exactly the point here. This was decided in April; it was announced in June, and here we are in mid-July and there's still no real, true program. As I said, that's unfortunate. If the public service had been asked in April whether they could do this, I think the answer wou

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  Certainly, from time to time it probably would be advantageous for the government and for those non-profits to do such work. The oversight of that work still has to be maintained within the public service. I would suggest that what you're saying should be the exception rather tha

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  Of the things you just listed, Mr. Cooper, I can't see any of those not being able to be performed within the federal public service.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  Because they already are. They are already administering such things as the ones you just announced.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  Absolutely. We certainly did a very quick turnaround, as I said, on CERB, and the emergency wage subsidy as well. Those two programs were delivered by federal public sectors, seamlessly, I believe.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  Again, I can't comment specifically on what you just read.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  Yes, which is obviously.... The only people that is detrimental to, of course, are the students who are relying on this program.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  Well, as I said, when the Prime Minister announced that WE Charity was the only organization capable, and then you look and realize that $43.5 million was being given to WE to ensure that they were able to administer the program, one would have to question that, absolutely.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward

Finance committee  As I said, this kind of program is already being administered within the federal public service, along with many others as well, so when we saw that this particular one was being contracted out, we had to ask why. Why is this being contracted out? Why should any federal program b

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Chris Aylward