Finance committee  Okay. Can you hear?

Finance committee  I did not with respect to the social entrepreneurship program, which is what came to my office. It was what was reviewed by the civil service. Given my focus on small businesses, entrepreneurs and young entrepreneurs, that was my focus, and no, I did not speak to the civil servic

Finance committee  Just for clarification, Mr. Julian, it was my chief of staff who spoke with Madam Marquez. I had a 30-minute call with Mr. Kielburger on April 7. I just want to assure this committee and Canadians that we abide by the rules set out in the Lobbying Act, and as you're aware, acco

Finance committee  Well, I expect that lobbyists follow the rules and I expect—

Finance committee  —individuals and the businesses to comply with the Lobbying Act.

Finance committee  Mr. Julian, you just cut out.

Finance committee  Mr. Julian, do you mind repeating that?

Finance committee  They did not. I don't know about the meeting with my chief of staff. To my understanding, they did not—

Finance committee  —but certainly not at my meeting.

Finance committee  Well, I just want to remind everyone that the main objective of that discussion was to approve a program that was about services by students for not-for-profit organizations across the country, and that was the decision that was made.

Finance committee  Apologies; I'm just going to grab my notes.

Finance committee  I'm just looking at my timeline here. We received it on April 22, and we communicated to WE.... Let me just see....

Finance committee  We did communicate. We communicated after my department did an analysis and said that it likely was not within my mandate. We communicated that we were not going to proceed with that proposal.

Finance committee  That's correct.

Finance committee  No. It was very clear that the recommendation was that if we wanted to help young people by giving them a service opportunity, this was the only option to do it. The choice before us was, do we provide this opportunity to young people through this service opportunity or do we not