National Defence committee  Okay. Thank you. I come from the private sector. Before I entered politics I was in the private sector. One of the big ways in which we increased the diversity within our company was by providing incentive to our executives. Are the right incentives in place at the most senior

National Defence committee  Do you think it's a good idea for us to have targets, to have the right incentives for leadership to be motivated to actually meet their targets?

National Defence committee  Great. I don't think the Canadian Armed Forces do exit interviews right now. Do you think they're a good idea?

National Defence committee  Okay. I think I have a little time left. Mr. Gerretsen, do you want to continue and take the rest of my time? We have about two minutes.

National Defence committee  Thank you. Thank you for coming in. Thank you for your wonderful presentation and for your advocacy. I'm going to continue a little bit along the same vein, and maybe even continue along the line of questioning that Mr. Garrison had started. You mentioned that the way to actua

National Defence committee  What's the recommendation there?

National Defence committee  To other women....

National Defence committee  Do you have something to add to that?

National Defence committee  Thank you. The only comment I would make, Major Perron, is that you're right. I used to train for half marathons, and in my first one I remember there was a guy at the top of the hill. It was at the end of my 17 kilometres, and he's at the top and he's yelling at me, “You can do

National Defence committee  Thank you. I kind of blame it on both of you. You give such wonderful testimony that it's kind of triggering some other things in me. There was a comment that legitimate standards are good, but we do have to question many of the current ones. It got me thinking that, through ti

National Defence committee  We are so far behind. It's as if society is over here and the military is over there with women in more senior positions—not in all cases, but in some cases. I'm trying to look at what transformational changes we can make. Sponsorship in the upper levels, I think, could be one.

National Defence committee  The other thing I was thinking of just as we were talking is that in the business world, when a new CEO comes in, they usually put together their own team. It's not 100% their own team, but they move people into position. Then they put in incentives for them to achieve certain ob

National Defence committee  Okay. Do you have anything to add to this?

National Defence committee  I'm a bit of the opposite. I worked in very male-dominated roles. I've adopted a lot of male attributes. In the business world, we provide coaching once you're past a certain level to help figure out some unconscious biases, and also to figure out what some of your weaknesses mig

National Defence committee  You have a lot of people who, I think, genuinely think that they're okay, but they're not necessarily okay. But you can't see it, so you almost can't blame them because they can't see it. They need someone to shake it up and to say something in front of them. Again, it really has