Canadian Heritage committee  I have two minutes left so let me pause you there. Both of your companies take a fee for every transaction, regardless of how much the ticket costs. Is that correct?

Canadian Heritage committee  It doesn't really matter whether the ticket is sold at 100% of its original value, or two, four or 500 times, you still get paid. Is that correct?

Canadian Heritage committee  Okay. Should we then be looking at a report and takedown system? That's a possible thing we can do with hate speech. It happens in France, in Germany. When we know there's a hate-based organization, we target them and we take their website down. Should we be doing that with or

Canadian Heritage committee  I'm putting out some Armageddon-type scenarios here, because this is what's in the arsenal of governments to do. We could literally pass legislation that would heavily fine scalpers or could throw them and their corporate owners in jail. That is a tool that the state could use.

Canadian Heritage committee  I guess my message to you, having come from business before politics, is to be part—and you are—of the solution before government is impelled by people to step into this space. I know you have very smart government relations people with you in the room. I think that a combined

Canadian Heritage committee  Thanks very much. Sadly, I have five minutes. You're from broadcasting, so this is the rapid fire round. Here we go. Ms. Tarlton, how many minutes, using AI and ML, does it take to block a billion bots?

Canadian Heritage committee  Exactly, so 60 billion bots blocked could happen in five minutes.

Canadian Heritage committee  How many did you miss in the last year? How many billions of bots got through your defence systems?

Canadian Heritage committee  What are your investments as Ticketmaster—and I'm going to Vivid Seats next—to build up that arms race?

Canadian Heritage committee  How many millions—10, 20, 100?

Canadian Heritage committee  Hundreds?

Canadian Heritage committee  How much has Ticketmaster spent in the last year on that issue? Hundreds?

Canadian Heritage committee  I'm with you. Vivid Seats, how much money would you spend on that issue?

Canadian Heritage committee  Okay, that's fair. What is the industry prepared to do before government legislates? I think your industry lies parallel to the privacy industry. If I am Zuckerberg right now at Facebook, and I'm staring down $2.5 billion to $5 billion in fines because every privacy breach is

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm glad that you helped us follow the money. I think there's a lot more work to do in following the money. It is billions and billions of dollars. This is in a gentle response to my colleague, Mr. Shields. I go to lots of junk sales and I think I shou