Public Accounts committee  That will be the meta-target, but then you have to have specific—

Public Accounts committee  If we look at the unemployment figures from 2010, you would see that indigenous unemployment in the country has been reduced, but we cannot correlate that with program spending. We would not want to attempt to tell you that we can definitively say it's this program spending that

Public Accounts committee  Rachel, what is the split this year?

Public Accounts committee  Then $99 million has been added incrementally in the budget that will begin in the next fiscal year.

Public Accounts committee  The new framework will be in place in time for the new spending to come online. We are not going to start spending the new money until we have the framework in place. That framework will be in place April 1.

Public Accounts committee  Sure. There was information that.... You think of the program as creating the equivalent of an employment office on the reserve. They had market intelligence about what employers were asking for. The Canada Job Bank offered a source of data that allowed us to provide that informa

Public Accounts committee  The program split is.... Do you mean for the previous financial year, or the year to date?

Public Accounts committee  There were different iterations of this program. In the most recent financial year.... I think the program goes back to 2010-11 for the first iteration. Since that period, the total expenditures would have been $2.4 billion on this program and $300 million on the skills and partn

Public Accounts committee  That is since 2010-11, if I take all of those years together. Right now, before we move into this new funding arrangement, it's just around $300 million for the main program.

Public Accounts committee  As the Auditor General indicated, instead of tracking the meaningful and sustainable employment with the longer-term measures, for the reasons that I said and the challenges around doing that, the department chose to focus on short-term measures. There were measures that the depa

Public Accounts committee  It's not a surprise, but the centrality of that data in allowing programs to operate on the ground—because that labour market information is critical to how they operate—is the reason we're pushing further on it. There are other areas where we had collected data, for example, as

Public Accounts committee  I've been at the Department of Finance, the Privy Council Office, National Resources Canada, and most recently the Department of Canadian Heritage, where we did extensive programming regarding indigenous languages, which is I think the closest proximity to this one.

Public Accounts committee  The trick on SIN, the real trick on outcomes, is not just measuring employment but income levels as well, and for that we have to link it to the CRA database. Now we're not able, obviously, to do that in a direct way, by tracking a specific individual, so the work that had to b

Public Accounts committee  Let me unbundle the “why” and give some different categories. On the question I just answered on the unavailability of labour market data at the micro, granular level, I think the “why” is that no such instruments existed. That's why we didn't collect it. That's why we had embar

Public Accounts committee  The first point I would make, as somebody who's done a lot of federal-provincial programming over his career, is that overlap and duplication between federal and provincial programs are not a bug of federalism. It's actually a design feature. When you have two jurisdictions spann