Public Safety committee  I can speak to criminal records in other contexts. I've been looking at how the Bedford case has been applying. There was an indigenous women who was caught up by the criminal justice system. They were looking at her record, and they said.... I think there might have been more th

Public Safety committee  Yes.

Public Safety committee  I agree with that.

Public Safety committee  Yes, I think so, as long as the first thing that gets taken out is the possession.

Public Safety committee  Then we could move on in the five years. We don't want it to take that opportunity away.

Public Safety committee  My understanding is that there are even other costs, like the fingerprinting and collecting all the documents, so yes—

Public Safety committee  Right, so it's still not nothing, and it's not going as far as I think it should go.

Public Safety committee  We can't control what other employees think, so we shouldn't leave it to their discretion. If the government makes a law, then everyone has to abide by the same law. It's not at the discretion of employees who don't understand the injustices we're talking about. In terms of the

Public Safety committee  I think— Oh, sorry.

Public Safety committee  Okay. I think that when we set people up for success, and they're able to contribute to employment and they're not stuck in shelters and they're given housing, then we're actually living in a better world. The other issue—and I think it's something we've all been alluding to—is

Public Safety committee  I think it should be automatic.

Public Safety committee  I think Mr. Cudjoe was going to expand on this issue earlier and perhaps this would be a good opportunity.

Public Safety committee  One other issue we're talking about is that people tend to be overcharged. In terms of plea deals and the other things you're talking about, and how we ended up with this simple possession charge, sometimes the Crown's just flinging whatever can stick at the wall. We shouldn't le

Public Safety committee  Yes, of course.

Public Safety committee  I think a great way is to keep engaging with organizations like NWAC and CABL so that they can tell the people they serve that this is possible. Our organizations do a lot of public legal education and our work is about engaging people in the laws that affect them. If you keep o