Information & Ethics committee  I don't want to take your time, but I just want to say that with biometrics, don't think of it with silver bullet thinking, believing that you're going to solve it with biometrics. Rather, it's about the use of biometrics with what you have and what you don't have.

Information & Ethics committee  We'll share some information for sure. Thank you for having us.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes. What I liked about the NEXUS card is it gave consumers choice. If you told Canadians they had to get a retina scan to get a passport, there would be outrage.

Information & Ethics committee  However, when you gave people a choice, saying, “If you want to get through the airport faster, submit your biometrics and you can get through faster”, lots of people made that choice. By providing choice it was accepted. I would also say your own GC login service, the partner

Information & Ethics committee  I would argue that's not really a good thing for online service delivery. It feels heavy-handed to do a retina scan if I'm trying to vote. I would argue that each of these things needs to be used.... We need to look at the spectrum of services and then the level of assurance. Not

Information & Ethics committee  Yet.

Information & Ethics committee  Just to clarify, on-device biometrics is a good idea. Trying to register my biometrics everywhere is a bad idea. That's the point I was trying to make.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, we have a pilot going on with UHN right now. One of the challenges...and I've actually done a TEDx talk on health care and identity, because as a country, the biggest need for digital identity is in health care. We need to solve this problem because we can't continue to have

Information & Ethics committee  I want to pick up on Matthew's earlier comment about how you've got to go slow and then go fast when you can. When you compare the Internet and the payment card system, what's interesting is that the way we pay for stuff has barely changed at all in 70 years. It started with a

Information & Ethics committee  That's the card-present identity idea. The only person who could have done this is somebody who had something that belonged to the real user, and the real user will turn it off when they lose it. That's where trust and integrity will come from.

Information & Ethics committee  I just want to add to that by saying that it's not about having a single identifier; it's about having confidence about who's on the other side of the transaction. I have today already in my real life, both online and in person, lots of identifiers, and what's good about that is

Information & Ethics committee  The first part is the identity question: who are you? The second question is authentication: are you the person who showed up the first time? The third thing is authorization: what can I do inside your service? That third domain is mostly what you've been talking about today. T

Information & Ethics committee  Sorry. I'm just going to answer your blockchain question. What we're using blockchain for is integrity proofs. We use it as a method to implement triple blinds so the issuer of the data can demonstrate that they wrote the data and that's the same data that they gave to the user

Information & Ethics committee  As well, you need user IDs and passwords for all of them.

Information & Ethics committee  I'm going to comment, and then Rene is going to add something. The truth is, the way the world works today, every service makes its own rules. The organizations that you just listed all make their own rules. They want to keep that property. They want to force everybody to do the