Public Safety committee  I think my advice would be that particularly when we're talking about critical infrastructure—I'm also particularly concerned about the cloud—there has been a trend for money saving within government and to use other people's external public-private clouds, and I'm talking about

Public Safety committee  Yes, it's the same for us. We're always aware of the possibility of internal attack. We always joke about the 15-year-old script kiddie who can do just as much damage as a nation-state. We do have that awareness, but currently, with the issues around Huawei and China, I think the

Public Safety committee  If we focus on defending our systems from external attack, we're protecting it from domestic attack. Insiders is a different issue.

Public Safety committee  Yes, I do. This is the time to be having a good look at your defences.

Public Safety committee  I don't think we've formally announced—and I don't think we will be able to formally announce in the short term—whether any data were stolen. We actually don't know. That's from the parliament service. The greater concern has been raised with the [Technical difficulty—Editor] par

Public Safety committee  They're not ready to announce anything. Attribution is hard and that's part of the discussion. It's easy to pretend to be a nation-state setting up in a different nation-state. We can't tell where the attack is actually coming from. We very often cannot tell where the attack is c

Public Safety committee  We should be and I think we are. There is probably a lack of under-reporting publicly, but I'm pretty sure that within international organizations, within governments, there is also a lot of sharing. My experience is that there is a lot of sharing, whether it's law enforcement or

Public Safety committee  I have to say that it's a sovereign issue. It's really for Canada to decide. Obviously, I can't speak for government. I just speak for myself. I think it would be easier for the Five Eyes partnership, just thinking from a technical point of view, if we had a common view on Huaw

Public Safety committee  I think it is part of the international understanding, which has already been stated, that basically, in the same way that China might want to just collect as much data as it can from the system, China has had a much more systematic way of sending Ph.D. students to Australia, the

Public Safety committee  May I answer?

Public Safety committee  Last week we publicly announced a major attack on Parliament—on all our email and all our service. The Prime Minister talked about it on Monday. They also attacked each of the three major political parties. This morning I woke up to find that a huge Melbourne hospital has had an

Public Safety committee  If I'm open with you, I lived in Hong Kong for 10 years. I speak fluent Chinese but I also have clearance. Also, I'm very, very careful about what I put on Twitter, so you're just going to see the fact that I've been selective. I have gotten to the stage where I am very frustra

Public Safety committee  I think there are two ways with Huawei. Some things I can't comment about because, as I've just told you, I have a clearance. By reputation, Huawei is a company that has constantly stolen IP. If you have a look at the best-known case, of the Cisco routers, from, I think, 2012, th

Public Safety committee  Yes. We're putting huge amounts of money and effort into this. Through the Australian Cyber Security Growth Network, through the growth centres, we now have systems. We've emulated the Americans in many ways, so we have the equivalent of its CyberPatriot school kid Capture the Fl

Public Safety committee  I've been following that quite closely. The first report from GCHQ said they felt it was far too great an effort for their lab to provide assurance about the Huawei equipment, but I believe it was only yesterday that GCHQ said maybe they could assure the equipment. I believe the