Finance committee  It was an email from Rachel Wernick to Michelle Kovacevic, answering one of her questions about volunteering, and WE was mentioned in it. It was clearly not the core of the email. It was mentioned in passing. Following that email, or that exchange of emails, they agreed that we

Finance committee  Absolutely not. As I said, it was about something else. It was all about... At the time, we were working on the Canada Service Corps proposal. We were thinking about more for volunteering, and we started, not too long after that, to work on the “I Want to Help” platform that was

Finance committee  The idea there, if I could finish my answer, was to use WE or some huge organization like WE out there, a not-for-profit, that could make sure that the “I Want to Help” platform would be known by the youth in Canada through social media.

Finance committee  Mr. Chair, the first time was not in a discussion. It was mentioned in an email from Rachel Wernick to Michelle Kovacevic at the Department of Finance, where—

Information & Ethics committee  I was not involved in this. The first time we all heard at ESDC about the new name of the program was at the announcement.

Information & Ethics committee  I never heard that. We talked about WE as a potential to supplement some of the proposals—

Information & Ethics committee  —we had, but never as—

Information & Ethics committee  The first time was.... In fact, I didn't hear it; it was in an email from Rachel around April 16 about something...we could use WE for social media to make sure that whatever we were doing for the proposal at that point would be—

Information & Ethics committee  The first time I heard about WE in the discussion of the youth package was in that email.

Information & Ethics committee  Are you asking me whether I heard suggestions like that before April 16?

Information & Ethics committee  Actually, I was involved in this file only marginally, until the Prime Minister's announcement on April 22. Up to that point, WE Charity was a subject of the discussions that we were having with the Department of Finance and that I was having with Rachel Wernick.

Information & Ethics committee  However, it was only one of the organizations that was being discussed. It was not at all the proposal that was announced on April 22.

Information & Ethics committee  I cannot answer that question because I do not remember. I think you would have to go back to the notes of the—

Information & Ethics committee  I remember that, in her testimony, Michelle Kovacevic pointed out that someone in the Minister of Finance's office had talked to a representative of WE Charity, but I do not recall the date or exactly who that was.

Information & Ethics committee  I did not say that. I simply said that WE Charity was one of the organizations that was being discussed. I have no idea who it was. Really, the discussion—