Justice committee  What I can tell you is that all of the information I have at my disposal that involves direct correspondence with the former minister about that December 5 meeting I read entirely into the record. There is nothing that I have not—actually, that's not true. There is one thing, and

Justice committee  No, that's not exactly what I just told you. What I told you was that if her mind was made up on the matter, she need not disclose anything about the content of the order. My understanding is that it would have been inappropriate if she had. However, if there were ongoing disc

Justice committee  That is correct. They are not under my control.

Justice committee  I was not aware of that.

Justice committee  I'm not even sure I know what that means, Ms. Raitt, to be honest. You are a lawyer, correct?

Justice committee  I am not.

Justice committee  That is correct. I am also testifying that if anyone crossed a line, it was the responsibility of the minister to inform somebody about that. I am presenting myself as the most likely person who would have been informed, and I was not.

Justice committee  My testimony is that I recall a very different conversation, yes.

Justice committee  I think whether or not she made it is the subject of some debate. I will say that if a minister—any minister, especially the Attorney General—spoke to me and said that a member of my staff or any other staff was pressuring them in an inappropriate way on any matter, I would have

Justice committee  I am not aware of any, but—

Justice committee  I didn't say she should have provided written commentary on—

Justice committee  —a section 13 order. I did not. What I said was that if she had made her mind up on a matter, she would not have had to disclose the content of the order. She could simply have informed us that her mind was made up and that any attempt to open the subject with her was inappropri

Justice committee  Can I answer it, though, Mr. Chair?

Justice committee  I agree that it's very clear. I just want to go back to the substance of my evidence that I'm providing here. I don't think.... I know the people involved. I've worked with them closely. I know the file a little bit. It just doesn't ring like something they would do on this or an

Justice committee  Very. Very—we met with chiefs of staff all the time, both together and separately.