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Justice committee I don't recall. I don't recall.... As you say, my answer to your first question, Mr. Fraser, is that it was very commonplace for such meetings to happen. It wouldn't have been unusual. Particularly at that time of year, Ms. Telford and I tried to meet with chiefs of staff at the
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee I can't think of a single instance in which Ms. Telford and I urgently summoned anyone, but as I said about my dinner with Ms. Wilson-Raybould, people can come away from the same experience with different impressions. As I have said many times, as I'm sure you've heard me say i
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee I believe that's a fair characterization, but I can't be sure. I know that the biggest contentious issue that we were discussing with the Minister of Justice and Attorney General's office at that time was the directive on civil litigation matters involving indigenous people. Ther
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee I think I answered that question a little while ago, Mr. Fraser, but that is not what I said. I do remember that part of the conversation, and I think this is the heart of the matter here—does asking for external advice constitute political interference? I think that by any reas
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee Yes. It's not a sophisticated tool in politics to ask your supporters to support you, right? It's a common practice that's probably been around for as long as there have been op-eds that whatever position the government is taking or an opposition party is taking, they seek out su
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee From my perspective, for most of the time we worked together, going way back to her nomination and the election campaign—which you will all remember was not a smooth sail across a calm sea—I felt like Ms. Wilson-Raybould and I could generally work things out. I think that in th
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee I have no idea. You'd have to ask the deputy minister of justice that.
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee No. No. Absolutely not.
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee I'm not sure. I think that's a subjective standard. I probably read them before they were sent, but I don't think I had a heavy hand in them.
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee I would agree with that, yes.
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee I believe so. I have no reason to believe she wasn't.
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee I would agree with that, yes.
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee I'm sorry. Could you repeat that?
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts
Justice committee I'm not going to answer a conditional question like that, because I don't know if he did it—
March 6th, 2019Committee meeting
Gerald Butts