Human Resources committee  Absolutely, or for highly specialized implementation of certain projects. Yes.

Human Resources committee  I mean—

Human Resources committee  Okay, from that point of view, yes.

Human Resources committee  What is precarious work, though? That is the definition. I don't think that part-time work or contractual work are necessarily precarious. The alternative might be to not hire anyone at all, and then where does that leave us?

Human Resources committee  Yes.

Human Resources committee  I can speak for the chamber. Again, it's rife with issues. The expert panel is exploring this, and we have a working group established that will have more defined recommendations and key messages. You'd have to survey the Canadian public at the end of the day. From the Canadian b

Human Resources committee  Again, I think it fundamentally comes back to addressing the problem that doesn't have a multi-faceted answer. I think the chamber—I wouldn't want to speak for all of them unequivocally, but we would have a number of questions around that. Are we talking about minimum wage?

Human Resources committee  Yes. You can imagine what that might do to employment. We talk about precarity of work. You might have a higher hourly wage, but what are your total hours? These are business costs that are real. I think we have to look at how we address the problems, absolutely, but we would be

Human Resources committee  It doesn't have the benefits of being off.... Again, it's always the data and how we look at it and how relevant...but we would have a number of concerns absolutely therein.

Human Resources committee  Yes, and again, I want to reiterate from the business community that we are advocates for training—

Human Resources committee  —and upskilling across the board. The devil is in these details, and there aren't the details here either. It's increased business cost, and it's increased coverage for a period of time off, for what type of course and how that will.... There are increased costs because it's flow

Human Resources committee  An earlier age, absolutely, and you've heard us say that as well, whether it be in the trades, whether it be around these soft skills or whether it be in literacy and digitization. I think an overall comment going forward is something that Mr. Busby said as well. It's these trip

Human Resources committee  Is the issue about whether or not work precarity increases economic efficiency?

Human Resources committee  I'd have to see the correlation. What I would be concerned about, as we go forward with this...and our membership would agree. I like this overlay of...and that's the qualitative piece in the numbers. This is non-standard work. We can agree to some of these.

Human Resources committee  It would be unrelated.