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Foreign Affairs committee Yes, absolutely, that's an accurate description of what's happened. There is normalization. The EU has accepted de facto that these things happen. I think Canada both continuing its representation and its discussion of the importance of liberal democracy is really important for
May 2nd, 2019Committee meeting
Anne Applebaum
Foreign Affairs committee Yes, I agree, absolutely, that one of Russia's clear geopolitical goals is to dismantle NATO as well as the European Union and to get American troops and North American troops out of Europe. So, yes, we're beginning to understand that Russia's assault on the west is not just mili
May 2nd, 2019Committee meeting
Anne Applebaum
Foreign Affairs committee It was essentially because they didn't expect to win, and when they did, they didn't have a plan and didn't have a clear idea of what Brexit was supposed to look like, and they therefore spent the last three years arguing about that. Even at the very, very end when they had to vo
May 2nd, 2019Committee meeting
Anne Applebaum
Foreign Affairs committee You're pointing to a really important point, and Mr. Pankowski was absolutely right in that this is anti-Semitism in countries without Jews, and Islamophobia in countries with no Muslims. By the way, that is why the fact that it's taking place in the unreal world of the Interne
May 2nd, 2019Committee meeting
Anne Applebaum
Foreign Affairs committee The only thing I would say to that is first of all, it has turned out, as the European Union discovered when it enforced these GDPR data privacy rules, that by passing them in one place, you do force the social media companies to act in other places. The GDPR rules in Europe have
May 2nd, 2019Committee meeting
Anne Applebaum
Foreign Affairs committee I would answer that by saying that what a lot of these groups want is power, and they think that either they can use this kind of language to galvanize people and consolidate a political party or, once they have power—even shared power, as we've seen in Italy—they will then attem
May 2nd, 2019Committee meeting
Anne Applebaum
Foreign Affairs committee That's also a very good question. The Internet manipulation that I spoke of is part of a larger set of issues. Mr. Pankowski also knows this very well. In addition to what's going on online, there is a larger Russian-backed assault on liberal democracy in Europe and an attempt
May 2nd, 2019Committee meeting
Anne Applebaum
Foreign Affairs committee I think it's really important to...it's not so much that you can copy other spheres, but you can look for past patterns and use them. It's very important to understand there is not going to be a single silver bullet answer to this problem. We aren't going to come up with an Inter
May 2nd, 2019Committee meeting
Anne Applebaum
Foreign Affairs committee Think of it more like the way in which we regulated automobiles. At the very beginning, people just drove cars around and bumped into the horses on the street. Eventually somebody realized that no, we actually need traffic lights. Then they realized we need to paint lines on the
May 2nd, 2019Committee meeting
Anne Applebaum
Foreign Affairs committee First of all, thank you very much. I'm very flattered and delighted to be appearing before this committee by video link. I apologize that I couldn't make it there—maybe another time. I've had a look at who's testified before you already, and I know you've discussed general iss
May 2nd, 2019Committee meeting
Anne Applebaum