Canadian Heritage committee  I have an answer, though, Madam Chair.

Canadian Heritage committee  I see.

Canadian Heritage committee  That is an eminently logical conclusion, ma'am.

Canadian Heritage committee  Mr. Champoux, societal debates over principles are sometimes needed. Now, attacking the concept of an open and free Internet is an important issue.

Canadian Heritage committee  Those numbers are wrong. The percentage of a type of content is not equivalent to the percentage of our revenue that it generates. The money we get comes from small- and medium-sized businesses that want to publish advertising…

Canadian Heritage committee  ... on our platform for an audience of 24 million Canadians.

Canadian Heritage committee  I'm so sorry, Madam Chair. I should just point out that you don't have to look at the United States, Madam Chair. We can look just in Canada. Jeff Elgie, who runs Village Media, has his own ad tech platform that he just launched to much acclaim. He has been and continues to be a

Canadian Heritage committee  I'm not aware. I believe that a lot of this will probably be best addressed to Google.

Canadian Heritage committee  Madam Chair, I still get The Globe and Mail delivered to me every day. I've been doing this for over 20 years, and I enjoy flipping through it every day and seeing the partnership we have with The Canadian Press. Are you aware, Madam, that on every article written by one of our n

Canadian Heritage committee  I believe it was a global fund that was announced. We have spent $8 million in Canada with respect to programs with news publishers and partnerships. That includes our Canadian Press news fellowship program. That includes the accelerator program—

Canadian Heritage committee  Madam Chair, with apologies to my journalism and publisher colleagues, I think what we're saying, as we have said elsewhere, is that this type of content—news links, etc.—is highly substitutable, so—

Canadian Heritage committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. It's highly substitutable. What that means is that if the content were not there, people would nonetheless engage with other kinds of content, with no—

Canadian Heritage committee  I think that's fair.

Canadian Heritage committee  Mr. Shields, we would welcome a conversation with the CEO of your publication, if that is what you are seeking. I think that would be very appropriate.

Canadian Heritage committee  We have before, Mr. Shields.