International Trade committee  It was the opposition parties that highlighted our situation and invited us to come and debate this issue. I do not know if in the future it will be important to consult all the people who are affected by these decisions.

International Trade committee  Indeed. We were saying that for the last 10 years, Russian and Chinese production has been stagnating. Rio Tinto seemed to say that our production had remained the same and that it had not been affected. I want to remind you what's happened in Quebec over the last 10 years. Rio

International Trade committee  And that of the workers.

International Trade committee  It was mostly, I believe, the small producers who used our aluminum that were being penalized because of that.

International Trade committee  If you bring the aluminum in through Mexico, there's remelting. So you're remelting aluminum. At that point, you can bring in alloys. That's how we lose our niche.

International Trade committee  The old Arvida plant produces about 175,000 tonnes. When I talk about the old plant, I'm talking about the old potrooms.

International Trade committee  That is its maximum capacity.

International Trade committee  As far as the old potrooms go, yes. The 38-tank AP-60 pilot plant produces approximately 65,000 tonnes per year. If we ever have a phase 2 and a phase 3, it will have a capacity of over 500,000 tonnes.

International Trade committee  Yes.

International Trade committee  I don't want to interrupt you, but let's not forget that we're past the shelf life of the old prebake potrooms.

International Trade committee  That's right, Mr. Lauzon.

International Trade committee  If we lose orders, it will have to come to that.

International Trade committee  Surely a company that loses production or sales capacity to an unfair competitor—

International Trade committee  At the time NAFTA was concluded, almost 25 or 30 years ago, aluminum production in Russia and China was not the same as it is today, as was mentioned earlier. They are the ones who have been trying to corner the aluminum market for the last 15 or 20 years. We can't compare NAFTA

International Trade committee  The current phase is happening in Arvida at the Complexe Jonquière plant. Prototypes are presently being installed. A pilot project already has pots in operation. Of course, establishing a product like that at industrial scale is going to take a number of years. We are moving tow