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Finance committee  If there are relevant documents in that regard, Chair, I would be happy to have them provided to the committee. I think it would be appropriate for the committee to see the contribution agreement with WE Charity. I would have no objection to the contribution agreement being mad

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  Chair, I understood perfectly, and I undertook to provide both.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  I will repeat them, Mr. Chair. What I said is that I could not imagine how the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance could not have been involved as part of this process. I did not refer specifically to recusal at cabinet. I indicated that this was a fundamental policy iss

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  It would depend on the facts of the case. If there were—and let's use our imaginations here—a wide variety of organizations, and if there were time to do it, there might very well be a formal competitive process. There could be a call for proposals in a formal competitive process

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  Well, Chair, you're revealing our techniques—that we often provide ministers with an unacceptable option, another unacceptable option and the right option. I'm making light of it of course, and I want to be clear to the Canadian public about that. Again the facts will determine

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  If that were relevant to their ability to deliver this program, that may be the case.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  I think the answer to that question is encompassed within my earlier answer. I don't have any further information.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  There is absolutely no evidence, no suggestion, in anything that I have reviewed that would suggest that the Prime Minister had any interaction with the WE Charity in relation to this program—none whatsoever.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  The same issue, as far as I know.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  Absolutely not. Contribution agreements are a vehicle that governments, going back as far as I can remember, have used to achieve public policy purposes in a transparent way that is subject to audit, which this agreement was and is. They are a standard vehicle. There are standa

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  It all depends on the program and the nature of it, but, in brief, a minister proposes something, sponsors the proposal, so to speak, which would have been developed by public servants with input, again depending on the case, from stakeholders. Again, going back decades, govern

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  Well, I stand to be corrected by officials in the relevant departments, but that is my understanding. You're correct.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  You're correct. He has said that on the record, and that was his decision to convey that. I do repeat that I don't how the Prime Minister—and let's remember, we're talking about the former Minister of Youth here—could not have been involved in understanding the development of a

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  I believe the committee should have access to as much of this information as possible.

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

July 21st, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart