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Finance committee  No two cases, of course, are exactly the same, but the principles are the same. One of the situations in a previous House of Commons under a Conservative government.... I should be clear that the House of Commons was not under a Conservative government; there was a Conservative g

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  They are public servants at various levels. We have an element of supervision. For example, they are not junior public servants, they have enough experience. They take the documents and read them in their entirety. It's a huge job.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  They take a pen and if lines, groups of words, paragraphs, or one or more pages match the definition of a Cabinet confidence, then they cross out the text. In those instances, and in every situation, we need to ask ourselves whether the words or paragraphs can legitimately be rea

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  I'm still here.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  Yes. On the matter of the redactions, I gave general direction to departments, supported by staff in the Privy Council Office well trained in this area. There were two principal aspects. Documents that normally would be cabinet documents, covering material the Prime Minister or

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  Well, as I said, Chair, I had made that offer. This is the information that my officials have provided to me, based on our analysis, but I'm here to discuss cabinet confidence generally, and—

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  I presume that they would because they would be either records of decisions or documents that would have been available in the cabinet process.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  I presume so, Chair, but I won't make a categorical statement to that effect.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  It's a separate question. The question was whether I could affirm that all the documents were present, physically, in the cabinet room.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  That, I suspect, is a very precise question with a very precise meaning and I will not declare it emphatically.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  Chair, I'm not in a position today to describe that, for the reason I've mentioned.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  The same answer applies, Chair.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  It's the same answer, Chair. I'm not going to quantify that. They would all have been of those types and categories of documents.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  That would be the same answer, Chair.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart

Finance committee  It's the same answer.

November 24th, 2020Committee meeting

Ian Shugart