Finance committee  The conversation with Minister Ng was an introductory conversation. There was no expectation of a grant. With Minister Chagger, the first conversation—actually, in fact none of those conversations were in relation, initially, to grants.

Finance committee  It is, sir. We'd be happy to provide that to you.

Finance committee  Sir, we are grateful for the—

Finance committee  Sure, okay. I'll follow you.

Finance committee  There are two things that are being brought together here. One is a process that started in the fall of 2019 for board renewal. Names were identified, and conversations took place with board members—

Finance committee  A well-planned, well-executed process took place—I say well-planned, but I will acknowledge not executed as well as we had hoped—starting in the fall of 2019, looking at board renewal as we approached 25 years as an organization, and a number of board members—

Finance committee  Sir, I'm seeking to clarify.

Finance committee  Thank you. In the fall of 2019 it started. Names for new board members were identified. The process was under way. During that process, something none of us could have imagined, a global pandemic, took place. There were near-daily briefings. Fourteen briefings, to be precise, wi

Finance committee  I tried to give the context—

Finance committee  Suffice it to say we respect Michelle's decision on the matter. We believe that the other board members— In fact, Michelle had one date on which she transitioned. By the way, we asked if she would transition three months later. She chose to do so immediately. We respected that.

Finance committee  With respect to—

Finance committee  Sir, it was a legal structure that had the ultimate governance embedded within WE Charity. It used the WE Charity staff and senior resources. It was a contract that was established and signed by ESDC, and, by the way, under section 22, holding the provisions on insurance for the

Finance committee  It was formally recognized in June for the very purpose; as we created this partnership with the government, it was amended in its structure—

Finance committee  —and further, it's not a company, sir. It's a non-profit, with the proper structure in place of ultimate governance, with the staff of WE Charity, so quite literally, this is an appropriate—

Finance committee  With respect—