Finance committee  From the best of our understanding, there's no.... This is a very specific question, as you can appreciate, and this is the best of our understanding.

Finance committee  Sir, that's correct. It would have been exclusively for expenses, number one.

Finance committee  Yes. Number two, it's actually not an administration fee, sir. It's actually a program fee. We were doing this on behalf of the government, helping the government. We were asked to do this by the government. The organization itself would not profit. We were there because we wan

Finance committee  We shared all the information with ESDC, in terms of what these structures would do, and we specifically explained to them that this would be our ability to hold, to limit that liability as part of that process, and they were aware.

Finance committee  Sir, it wasn't a separate corporate entity; it was a separate non-profit organization—

Finance committee  I was on the call with other individuals from the professional services side with ESDC. We made that clear, because we were very concerned about the request that we were asked to take on a liability for 40,000 young people to volunteer during a pandemic.

Finance committee  We'd have to double-check.

Finance committee  Then the other possibility, sir, is that some groups actually drive down. They don't even go on the commercial flight.

Finance committee  Certainly not in Ecuador.

Finance committee  Private aircraft is a possibility, because—

Finance committee  Sir, that's not necessarily correct. You can also drive.

Finance committee  It is a five-hour drive. It's a lovely drive, and you—

Finance committee  We host hundreds and hundreds of trips, sir.

Finance committee  Sir, WE did not engage her before November of 2015, from my best understanding.

Finance committee  It was at that point, sir, that WE Days continued to grow, and we needed somebody to speak specifically on the issue of mental health. She came not as Madam Trudeau; she came as somebody who is very focused on that issue, something that's really relevant. If I'm not mistaken, i