Finance committee  It is a five-hour drive. It's a lovely drive, and you—

Finance committee  We host hundreds and hundreds of trips, sir.

Finance committee  Sir, that's correct. It would have been exclusively for expenses, number one.

Finance committee  Yes. Number two, it's actually not an administration fee, sir. It's actually a program fee. We were doing this on behalf of the government, helping the government. We were asked to do this by the government. The organization itself would not profit. We were there because we wan

Finance committee  We shared all the information with ESDC, in terms of what these structures would do, and we specifically explained to them that this would be our ability to hold, to limit that liability as part of that process, and they were aware.

Finance committee  Sir, it wasn't a separate corporate entity; it was a separate non-profit organization—

Finance committee  I was on the call with other individuals from the professional services side with ESDC. We made that clear, because we were very concerned about the request that we were asked to take on a liability for 40,000 young people to volunteer during a pandemic.

Finance committee  Could you clarify in terms of the general rules, please?

Finance committee  We're certainly happy to take that back and seek greater clarification.

Finance committee  From the best of our understanding, there's no.... This is a very specific question, as you can appreciate, and this is the best of our understanding.

Finance committee  Thanks, sir. Prior to the conversation with the government, when Ms. Wernick approached us with this opportunity, we received approximately, give or take, $5 million from the federal government to the best of our knowledge. It was over many, many years, going back to 2013 [Inaud

Finance committee  Thank you, Chair. We really appreciate it. Mr. Angus, we hear your question. We understand your concern. The answer is that up to this point we've had virtually very limited engagement with the federal government in seeking funds. At this point, they approached us for this progr

Finance committee  Mr. Chair, I apologize. The clerk had agreed that at every hour we would be provided a five- to 10-minute pause. We understand that spending four hours is quite unprecedented. I haven't had a chance to spend even four hours with my two little girls in the last month—

Finance committee  We're spending a lot of quality time together, sir. We haven't had a chance to—

Finance committee  We love spending time with you, sir, but at some point that would be lovely.