Public Safety committee  I'll tell you about my experience at Depot. When I trained there, I was one of the only Black cadets in the RCMP. In my troop, during that time, I saw maybe five or six other Black cadets. The worst example of systemic and explicit racism that I saw at Depot was the racism again

Public Safety committee  Again, it's a matter of marketing. First, there must be a concrete commitment to address complaints of racial harassment within the RCMP. I will say that the RCMP recently put out an anti-racism plan. I have to tell you that it's a meaningless plan. It's full of pronouncements

Public Safety committee  It has to be. It has to be because you couldn't be displaying racist behaviour against your own colleague without having it reflected amongst the clients you serve. As I said, personally I have seen it in some of the attitudes and comments I've heard about members of the Black co

Public Safety committee  Again, systemic racism doesn't mean everybody is racist.

Public Safety committee  I can't take credit for that definition. I was quoting Senator Sinclair's definition of racism. Essentially he said that some people believe that systemic racism is when everybody in the system is a racist, and there is no system where everybody is a racist. Then he went on to cl

Public Safety committee  No.

Public Safety committee  I don't think so, definitely not in terms of systemic racism. It's more sophisticated. It's more insidious, but it's still pervasive. It's still very much present and the biggest challenge is the backlash that any attempt at changing the status quo creates among the majority of t

Public Safety committee  It has nothing to do with the model. The RCMP can be fixed. As I said, I'm going to go back to the gender and respect plan that was put in place in 2011 to address sexual harassment, and also diversity with respect to females, in the RCMP. I think it has done quite well, and alth

Public Safety committee  Some of the recommendations might assist in changing the old boys' club, but the old girls' club, well, it's not an old girls' club, but some of the old girls have been joining the club and that's problematic. However, to be quite frank with you, the RCMP in 2011 put forth a gen

Public Safety committee  I think there are about 300 to 350 Blacks, roughly. Again, there are no disaggregated numbers in the RCMP that have been collected. That's just anecdotal.

Public Safety committee  The plan, the gender and respect plan, actually worked in terms of promoting women, white women particularly, and hiring more white women, but the BIPOC females did not benefit from that program the same way that white females benefited. I know I have 30 seconds left. I'll give

Public Safety committee  Oh, we're out of time. I don't want to get you in trouble.

Public Safety committee  It was 27 and a half years. I don't think the RCMP is any worse nor better than most of the larger police services in this country when it comes to these kinds of issues.

Public Safety committee  That's a fair statement. The refusal to even recognize that it exists is...The same thing happened with those brave women who came forward, initially, to report sexual harassment in the RCMP. They were met with sarcasm and denial. They were even attacked. Since I've come forwar

Public Safety committee  Do you mean in terms of service delivery?