Natural Resources committee  Sure. Thanks, Mr. Connors. I'll answer the second question first. The liquidity program is working. It has provided some relief, obviously. As you indicated, every time we've gone in front of the tribunal on the softwood lumber, we've won. There is absolutely no merit to this.

Natural Resources committee  I'll try to be quick. I agree with Mr. Connors. There are also opportunities in those pulp mills to do a lot of those things. The government should be looking for ways to take some of the pressure off the capex that Mr. Connors was talking about. I wouldn't agree with any of the easing of the exports or some of the things you said around forest management.

Natural Resources committee  I will try to answer quickly. Some of the best practices have been doing what we were doing prior to the pandemic, which was finding cost-saving measures with the employers, finding ways to ensure that people got to work. Obviously it was needed. Some of the places shut down for a short period of time.

Natural Resources committee  Thanks, Chair. It's Scott Doherty. I'm the executive assistant to the national president of Unifor. As you know, Unifor is the largest private sector union in the country, with over 315,000 members. I'm responsible for the forestry sector for our union. I worked at Elk Falls pulp mill as a process engineer, the same as our other witness, in Campbell River for 16 years prior to starting on staff with the former CEP in 2008.