Information & Ethics committee  No. As the study shows, Pornhub reported only so many accounts of child pornography being on their site, and they always try to shift the responsibility from themselves to the people who are uploading the content, when it's their site. They should require people to verify their age and verify who they are and that they're actually the people in the video before it can be uploaded, instead of just letting whatever be uploaded and then downloaded from their site, and then, oops, now that it's flagged as child pornography we're going to make people prove it's child pornography before we actually do something.

Information & Ethics committee  Thank you. I appreciate that. I would like to continue to be updated on how the laws are changing, on what that will basically demand Pornhub and MindGeek to do, and on what that will basically entail for them to follow. I'm not very updated. I don't have a lot of knowledge on laws.

Information & Ethics committee  I think I have to turn off the language thing.

Information & Ethics committee  Okay. Now I can hear you.

Information & Ethics committee  Basically, when the videos were first uploaded online and I didn't want to tell my mom about them—and I pretended to be my mom—they would say, like, “Oh, well, it's not actually you in the video, so to provide proof that's your daughter and that she's underage, you're going to have to provide....” like, pictures of me next to some sort of identification.

Information & Ethics committee  She'll have to repeat herself.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes. I just got it turned on now.

Information & Ethics committee  If you take me, for example, I took so long to tell anybody. I always tried to deal with it myself and it caused me years and years of anxiety and depression, which still to this day I have to deal with. I still have trouble communicating with people and actually going out in the world, like leaving my room and being out in real life because of what happened and because I tried to deal with it all by myself.

Information & Ethics committee  I'm not very knowledgeable on all the different kinds of processes, but what I can say is that Pornhub always said that they had no idea what was on their site. Anybody could post and anybody could download what was on there, so they didn't know unless people would flag it and report it.

Information & Ethics committee  I would tell them that they're really selfish. They need to really look at themselves in the mirror because they're prioritizing money and content over actual human beings' lives, because obviously, they don't care that much. They didn't make any major moves until the banks decided they wouldn't be supporting them anymore.

Information & Ethics committee  As Mike was talking, he was telling you about some of the other victims. I'm one of the people who ended up homeless, ended up dropping out of school, ended up on drugs, completely detached from my family. I ended up trying to kill myself many times. I ended up in mental hospitals.

Information & Ethics committee  I'm good.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, that's fine. I grew up in a small town in the mountains, and I didn't have Wi-Fi or really even running electricity up there. I never had an iPod or a phone or access to the Internet before I moved to the city. The school there was really small, too. There was only one school in the entire town, pre-K to grade 8.