Information & Ethics committee  Those statements are categorically lies; they just are. “If you discover”, “if we discover”.... What do they mean by “discover”? Does someone have to come in and get a judgment and prove something because you can't believe your eyes? Does it mean victims can't come in and tell them these things?

Information & Ethics committee  Absolutely.

Information & Ethics committee  I think you need to speak to a gentleman named Corey Urman, who's there. I think you need to talk to those individuals about who actually owns the company, in what form, and from whom they take direction. I know these people have been publicly fronted as owners. I suppose there are different ways you could call someone an owner, but our information, and other public information, is that the people who are the beneficial owners, the people who control this company, who really hold the economics, are not known.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes. I think this is something where the law can be improved upon, because the law was written before the Internet Tube sites. But I have no question that under American law there are criminal violations here. For example, I raised section 2257 for a reason. It's so basic. Before the Internet, the American law required that if you were going to produce pornographic material, explicit material, you had to have paperwork showing that the person was of age and that it was consensual, and you had to keep the paperwork.

Information & Ethics committee  Thank you. I'll just introduce myself briefly to the committee. My name is Michael Bowe. I'm a partner in Manhattan at the law firm of Brown Rudnick. We have been investigating Pornhub and MindGeek, its parent, and its other sites for just about a year. Included in that investigation are hundreds of accounts that are similar to Serena's, of underage women who were children who had exploited material posted on Pornhub, of adult women who were raped and the rape was videotaped and put on Pornhub, of trafficked women who have had their videos put on Pornhub, and all sorts of other non-consensual content that has been put on Pornhub.