National Defence committee  No. A note to the Prime Minister is not shared with ministers. It's between PCO and the minister.

National Defence committee  Yes, it would have, but in our words. Senior PCO personnel collate, collect, compile and put together a note with recommendations on performance ratings. I remember sending batches of two, three or four notes per year with different categories of recommendations. They would pass

National Defence committee  Yes. The general nature of the issue came to our attention in March. The performance discussions were in May and June, and I sent that note in, I believe, the first 10 days of July.

National Defence committee  That's what the consequence is, not the input. What happens is that people get two kinds of pay. The economic increase is your basic salary and adjustments for inflation. Those are largely set by collective bargaining, which the government then matches for judges and other catego

National Defence committee  I'd just repeat what I said today. We did take carriage of the file on March 2. Within 24 hours of Mr. Walbourne's going to see the minister, we had taken carriage of the file and reached out to Mr. Walbourne to see what we could find out. We reached an impasse in mid-March and w

National Defence committee  I think he had the alternative of accepting the envelope and immediately giving it to somebody to send over to us. He could have acted as the courier and said, “Okay, I'll take it from you, but I'm sending it to PCO.” I think Mr. Walbourne could have found some redacted version

National Defence committee  It's impossible to know what the details of that alternative timeline would be. I don't want to sound critical of Mr. Walbourne. I think he was acting in good faith according to his understanding of how the system should work, but so was Ms. Sherman.

National Defence committee  I think there is at least some threshold such that if we had had more information, we could have pursued it further. It's not an easy case when you have a single incident between a single person and.... There are not going to be a lot of witnesses. There's not going to be a lot o

National Defence committee  As far as I can recall, those would have been Janine Sherman and my initial outreach from Elder Marques. I do not recall looping back to Elder. It's possible that I did—you'd have to ask him—but I don't recall a follow-up of that. I think we reported back in March that we had re

National Defence committee  I remember having a conversation with Jody in the context of this overall performance review about turnover, about the ripple effects of Admiral Norman being in front of criminal charges, and about whether General Vance was a contender for the NATO job and what did she think abou

National Defence committee  I can't swear to the length of the call. I don't have my calendars in front of me. They generally went as long as the minister wanted to talk. Sometimes they were short. Sometimes they'd go on for nearly an hour and try to get input on the deputy minister, any.... It would depend

National Defence committee  I can only speak to the 2017-18 cycle and the conversations in the spring of 2018. I did not raise the conduct issues, and he did not. I concede that I could have raised the issues with the minister, but the minister could have raised them with me. We did not. We talked about oth

National Defence committee  Yes. Admiral Norman was charged by the RCMP, acting independently, and the director of public prosecutions, acting independently. Where it's relevant, I guess, is that it destabilized the senior ranks. To have the vice chief facing criminal charges is a very unsettling thing, as

National Defence committee  You need to ask the Minister or Deputy Minister of National Defence that question. I was never aware of any allegations, past or present, against the general.

National Defence committee  I'm not sure what the answer is. I believe you would have to ask a lawyer. As I understand it, the Privy Council Office still has an obligation to do an initial screening, a review of the facts, and to decide what procedures to follow afterwards. As someone suggested, it may be