Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  That is correct and I could not have said it any better.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  One hundred per cent they would, because we believe that what has happened in their territories has to be known by the Canadian government and something must be done about that.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  We believe that justice is not built only on political limits within governments. We believe that justice is built on the contribution of different actors. That is why indigenous organizations are seeking more and more allies in different latitudes of the world so they are able to get the reparation they need.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes. I was saying that we had looked into the old option of bringing this complaint to the CORE, but we have received information from other cases and also have our own information about how this mechanism is working. It wouldn't provide sufficient investigation for us to feel confident in the use of the CORE to present the report on what is happening in the indigenous communities.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  No, we haven't. We considered that option, but given what we were informed of and what we saw in terms of the lack of power the ombudsperson has right now, we didn't believe that putting the indigenous organizations through that effort without knowing the result would be the most useful way to approach the situation.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  We have not contacted the national contact point for this case. We are doing that for the case with the previous operator, which is a Dutch company. The complaint that the indigenous federations addressed has just been accepted by the Dutch national contact point. We are trying to see what comes out of this effort and experience with our complaint to Pluspetrol to evaluate whether we should do the same in the case of Frontera Energy, because the two cases have really similar situations.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  In the case of these organizations, unfortunately, I'm sorry to say it this way, but I'll just put it in numbers. In 15 years, Pluspetrol Corporation had 116 spills in the same lot. That is in 15 years. Pluspetrol is not a responsible company and we have denounced their practices.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  What is normally argued is that because of oil operations the state gets some revenues that could be invested in projects such as building schools or other types of projects that could be implemented in the communities. Unfortunately, the amount that is destined for community development is not enough for them to build a hospital or contribute to projects that could significantly change their opportunities and their conditions.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  No. Indigenous organizations have not received any kind of aid or help from the Canadian government to date in their search for justice, or in the case of lot 192. What indigenous organizations have done is to address Frontera Corporation, not Frontera Energy in Peru but Frontera Corporation, recently with a letter for Frontera as a corporation to respond for the damages that their branch in Peru has caused.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  No. Definitely we believe the pressure and the public image of oil companies is very important for them. When we have pronouncements or statements from public entities or from government entities, we do believe change can made. If we had a proper investigation and a proper public report that would have the evidence of what Frontera is doing with these indigenous communities, we believe their public image would be affected and they could have more pressure into complying with the Peruvian environmental norms that would then impact the indigenous people's rights.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes, I will send that report for you to be able to access it. Regarding your question about how many of these impacts have been caused by Canadian companies, because Frontera Energy hasn't presented their abandonment plan, we don't have all the official data that would allow us to know all the impacts that they've had.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  It's the only Canadian company operating in the oil industry, yes.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes, other lots are operated by Dutch companies, Argentinian companies.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  The organizations I work with do the surveillance basically in two oil lots, lot 192 and lot 8, which is operated by Pluspetrol. The number you mentioned earlier, the 1,209 impacted sites that indigenous monitors have helped discover, is in both of these lots, but mainly in lot 192 because it's the lot that these monitoring programs have worked the longest.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes. What we also talk about in this investigation that we did with the support of Oxfam is how the social conflicts have increased in these oil lots because of Frontera's way of managing these social conflicts and their conflicting practices with the indigenous organizations. We have reported to our own ombudsperson here in Peru that during the COVID pandemic Frontera left the indigenous communities without payment for the work they had done for Frontera Energy and they also stopped providing the social programs that should have continued during the pandemic.