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Canada-China Relations committee  I don't believe it's necessarily part of the remit. They've taken a fairly expansive view, but I do not know if they've gone that way at all. I'm not connected to the Cullen commission. I gave two days of testimony, but that's my only involvement.

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  Thanks. I'm happy to answer any questions offline that you might have. [Proceedings continue in camera]

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  Right. Thank you. I'm glad you've read the report so thoroughly. I think you'll find that those references actually refer to public source material that we have with respect to the move by the Chinese government to persuade people to return to China who have been involved in, o

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  Yes, I would assume it's prosecution. Also, I think you'll find that it's pretty well documented publicly that China has made it very clear that it is looking abroad for those people who have been involved in illegal activity. However, again, that's illegal activity in China, so

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  As I said in my answer to an earlier question, I can't personally talk with authority about a connection between state-sponsored activity in China and organized crime in Canada. I know that Mr. Cooper's book is out there. Mr. Cooper was heavily engaged as a journalist in what bec

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  I would tend to agree with that, sir. The RCMP made a conscious decision to abolish the proceeds of crime unit in 2013, as well as the commercial crime unit and the drug squad—a number of commodity-based units that had been around for many years—in favour of a new organized cri

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  Thank you for the questions, sir. I suppose anything is possible. We're really talking about their state-sponsored or state-supported organized crime. I don't have evidence of that, so I can't say if that occurs or doesn't occur. I should also point out that my reports were not

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  I'm sorry, sir. Is there a role for whom to play in the casinos?

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  Yes, I see. There's no question that organized crime has been in the casinos in British Columbia. Primarily, the persons involved were of Asian ethnicity. I can't answer whether they are Canadian citizens, permanent residents or visitors. In terms of a lot of the “whale gambler

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  “The Vancouver model” is actually a term that a professor in Australia, John Langdale, an Asian crime expert, coined. He was in Australia looking at what was taking place between Vancouver and China, and he could actually see this relationship I described of money leaving China a

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  The issue of enforcement was raised, most specifically in our second report, in that it was very clear that the RCMP was under-resourced, having—

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  I'm sorry, Mr. Regan.

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.

Canada-China Relations committee  Right. Every community.... I'll refer to “Caucasian” as an ethnic diaspora, because I am Caucasian. Every diaspora tends to have its own organized crime. It's a percentage. No country is without crime. Let's put it that way. I look at the Caucasian community, and I look at outla

June 7th, 2021Committee meeting

Dr. Peter M. German, Q.C.