Natural Resources committee  I'm not in a position to discuss or dispute the figures that you provided. That said, I've done a great deal of modelling work for governments and for industries. In my view, there's some equality.

Natural Resources committee  Well, it's the same as 20 years ago, and we only have two options. There are only two kinds of policies that actually overcome the fact that you shouldn't use the atmosphere as a free waste receptacle—putting a price on carbon or regulating the carbon emissions or the technologie

Natural Resources committee  We've seen this so many times. It happens all the time, but at least these sectors will go down very slowly, so, for workers, a transition may not be as harsh as people try to portray it.

Natural Resources committee  I'll just say I agree with Ms. Hastings-Simon's answer.

Natural Resources committee  I'll just say I'm a strong supporter of this particular policy, and the others have given the reasons.

Natural Resources committee  We're going to shift towards an electricity economy in many respects, and we're going to have enormous production of electricity from solar and wind, and that's going to have to be linked up with our hydro reservoirs and other energy storage and so on. There's going to be massive

Natural Resources committee  As I answered before, you can produce a lot of oil for export and have virtually zero emissions at some point. I guess my point is—

Natural Resources committee  It really depends where the price of oil is. My answer is similar to Ms. Hastings-Simon's. The point I'm trying to make is that you don't need to go to war with Albertans to tell them, “You have to get your production down.” You say, “You have to get your emissions down,” and the

Natural Resources committee  That's why I focused on emissions.

Natural Resources committee  I answered that question.

Natural Resources committee  So I—

Natural Resources committee  I'm on the IPCC. The IPCC rightly determined 30 years ago that the emissions should be counted where they happen, because that creates the incentive for people to possibly take petroleum and convert it to hydrogen and bury the CO2.

Natural Resources committee  I disagree with you profoundly.

Natural Resources committee  I'm not talking about forestry. I'm talking about the sectors that produce high levels of GHG emissions. That's why I'm talking about the aluminum industry in Quebec, for example. As part of the transition, the federal government must help these sectors, including in Quebec.

Natural Resources committee  Indeed, the producers must reduce their emissions. They have the technology to do so, even if they produce oil products for consumption in Canada or for export. In Canada, we have policies such as the carbon tax and regulations for cars and oil to reduce emissions from domestic