Public Accounts committee  Not to my knowledge, Mr. Chair.

Public Accounts committee  At the Department of National Defence, obviously security is very much top of mind. We will not let employees or contractors start work without having the proper security clearance or mitigation measures around their clearance until it comes through. Troy has more experience on

Public Accounts committee  I'm not sure that I understand the question, Mr. Chair.

Public Accounts committee  I will have to get back to you with the exact date in terms of when the pool was created, unless my colleague Madame Desmartis knows. I do know when he started his employment with National Defence, which was in September, so obviously it was before that. However, if we don't have

Public Accounts committee  He transitioned from doing the work as a contractor to basically doing exactly the same work, Mr. Chair, as an employee.

Public Accounts committee  My understanding, Mr. Chair, is yes. In fact, the manager and Mr. Yeo had conversations encouraging him to apply because of the goal of turning that skill set from a contracted resource into an employee. This skill set is not easily found, so there were not many.... I believe the

Public Accounts committee  It's five-zero. Mr. Chairman, my recollection is that is a mix of civilian and military members. I can confirm that 50 is the right number; I'm just not clear if it's civilian and military or just civilian. Just give me one second. It's both. There are 50 members, civilian and

Public Accounts committee  I maintain, Mr. Chair, that I believe it is appropriate if it is properly disclosed and there are no conflicts. I do want to remind the committee that—

Public Accounts committee  —for public servants, I believe it's true that if it is properly disclosed, it might be okay in terms of what they do in their own time. Let's not forget that at National Defence, we have the same rule. We have armed forces members, and also reservists, whom we expect to have oth

Public Accounts committee  Certainly, Mr. Chair, we've evidence that his name was still appearing on contracts after he started his job with the public service. That would be the key piece of evidence I would offer. During his testimony earlier this week, he mentioned that he launched processes at Dalian t

Public Accounts committee  On the security clearance process, it's a separate group that does that. There is no cross-referencing to what was disclosed by the employee from a conflict of interest perspective in terms of feeding back. I would assume that as part of the security clearance process, if Mr. Yeo

Public Accounts committee  That's an excellent question, Mr. Chair, and I think it's something that the employer will have to think about in terms of how we move forward on this. I wouldn't want to speculate on what the right approach is. I do want to stress that I don't believe that this is as widespread

Public Accounts committee  We're certainly aware that Calian supplements health care services provided by armed forces members. We have examples of people who—

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, number one, we're aware of members who have left and joined Calian or similar companies. We're also aware of some who have gone the other way. Again, if we can turn those resources into employees, that is better for us. Some are not interested—

Public Accounts committee  I do understand that. Supplementing the employees with contracted resources where we don't have enough employees—