Declaration of Emergency committee  They can choose not to respond. Perhaps that's the way to leave it. I just think it's confusing for people on the other end who are receiving the information.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Could I just ask the mover for clarification, if he's willing, on (c) about the final report? What are you distinguishing? I'm trying to understand why that's important.

Declaration of Emergency committee  I would just ask that he repeat it.

Declaration of Emergency committee  I'm looking at it through the lens of the public, who don't always understand the distinct roles. On policing, people thought the RCMP were policing here, when it's municipal. I'm trying to figure out ways that you could compel people to at least come to the table.

Declaration of Emergency committee  In terms of the governance structure for policing, both in its effectiveness and in its role, when you look at the RCMP and the OPP, which you are familiar with, do you see board-type governance as a better place to assist with this?

Declaration of Emergency committee  There would be enough responsibilities that are driven by legislation.

Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you very much, Chair. This is for Professor Roach and Dr. West, if you would like to weigh in on this one. I'm trying to come up with a recommendation that deals with, perhaps, mandatory involvement of the provinces or something in a context that says they can't step back

Declaration of Emergency committee  I would like to take you back to your comments on the comparative of the situation in Ottawa and the situation in Toronto. I think we've heard evidence at this committee that Toronto had the benefit of the Ottawa experience.

Declaration of Emergency committee  I agree with you. The one piece we also have to keep in mind.... Commissioner Carrique testified that—I may have my numbers slightly wrong—on one day, he had over a hundred incidents going at different points. I think we also, therefore, have to talk about capacity when we thin

Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you very much. Professor Roach, I wanted to go back to subsection 17(1), because you didn't get a chance to expand on that. We have not heard much about that at this committee. Could you give us a little more information around that, and how it interacts with the balance

Declaration of Emergency committee  Go ahead.

Declaration of Emergency committee  You will agree with me that certainly in the Ipperwash Inquiry, which you and I are both familiar with, this was actually one of the fundamental questions—the ability of politicians to direct the police. Some information out of that may have been helpful to this issue.

Declaration of Emergency committee  I want to pick up on your comments around intelligence—particularly, in this case, intelligence collected by the police. Because that is shared among three levels, what would you suggest in terms of oversight or review that might be beneficial in terms of those sorts of issues?

Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you. Thanks to both of you for being here. I agree with the chair. It's important to have your presence and your views, so thank you for taking the time. I'm going to address my first comments to Professor Roach. First of all, thank you for your comments. I'm particul

Declaration of Emergency committee  Thank you. When it comes to directing operations, which you're very familiar with and which I think you covered in your book as well, we heard that here as well, in terms of what I think is a misunderstanding by people in political areas of the role of the operations of police a