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Information & Ethics committee  Different companies have taken different positions on that. For some companies, everything happens on the device. For other companies, that's not a part of the deal; it can go to the cloud and from there to other places.

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  I agree with all of that. Informed consent goes a long way, but it has to be informed.

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  Twenty years ago I used to go around telling everyone that the trouble with these facial recognition systems was that they didn't work. These days I find myself spending more time saying the trouble with these facial recognition systems is that they do work. Over the past five y

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  I suspect that there are people on the panel who know more about the technology than I do, but if algorithms are trained on a huge set of images, and one of those images, or more than one, is of you, then the cake is already baked. It's difficult to unbake the cake and remove the

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  It's often used in border control in a number of countries and in processes related to border control, such as passport renewal, to verify that the person submitting the document is who they claim to be. It's also used in retrospective review of crowd footage to try to identify

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  One of the main concerns is mistaken identity and just the idea that an innocent person could be apprehended, accused and even sentenced for a crime they didn't commit. That's clearly an error that we want to avoid, and we also want to avoid the opposite error of failing to appre

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  It's possible to ask a human how they reached a particular judgment, but we don't have a great deal of insight into why we make the decisions we make sometimes. Often, we're inventing justifications post hoc that sound plausible to others, and that's news to us as much as it is t

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, I certainly think transparency is important. We should aim for the situation where members of the public can understand how these technologies are being used; how they could be effective; how they could be affected by them; and how they may have been affected by them. We kn

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  I think it's probably not enough on its own. I think it's an important component of an ethical system.

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, it's a very difficult question. I don't have a straight answer, but I'm slightly cautious about comparing face recognition technologies against a perfectly accurate and bias-free system, because that's not an option that's on the table. We certainly know what we get from t

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  Bias among programmers could be a factor, but I don't think we need to invoke that to understand the demographic group differences that we see in these automatic face recognition systems. I think that can be explained by the distribution of images that are used to train the alg

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  I think you characterized facial recognition technology as a tool, and, in my view, that's exactly the correct characterization. You can use a tool to try to help other people, or you can use it to try to harm other people, so we need to understand the intent of people as well as

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  I'm sorry, that's probably not really in my area of expertise. I can speak to the cognitive science of face recognition, but I'm not an expert on the law or the policy.

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  I know that they are, but I don't have a deep knowledge of those processes.

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins

Information & Ethics committee  If facial recognition accuracy is low, then there are concerns about miscarriage of justice. If it's low for some people but high for others, there are concerns about equality. If it's high for everybody, there are concerns about privacy. Those are all of the options.

April 4th, 2022Committee meeting

Prof. Rob Jenkins