National Defence committee  Yes, I totally agree. I think that is a significant issue that we have going on. I think of Goose Bay. The base is being run by a contractor out there, Serco. Continuously, they are having these add-ons. They think they have the contract nailed down, but then they find out that

National Defence committee  You've taken the words right out of my mouth. I think that's it perfectly in a nutshell. With the indigenous contracts, when they were supposed to have a certain number of staff who were indigenous—and this was in the news just this week—they were finding that that wasn't even be

National Defence committee  We've always worked side by side with CAF members. That's a great deal of our work. There is opportunity when there are fewer CAF members available. There's a potential that this could be contracted out when they simply don't have enough people to do the work.

National Defence committee  Yes.

National Defence committee  Well, this is certainly a case of the fox guarding the henhouse. It's ridiculous to even ask this sort of thing from that group. I think their report very much illustrates their recommendation for why all of this work should be contracted out. However, when we looked at the raw

National Defence committee  Yes. We were not able to achieve the same contracting-out language that PIPSC was able to get. Simply, the government was not interested. By the time we came to the bargaining, I think it saw the challenge with that. We don't even have the ability to grieve this. However, it is s

National Defence committee  In light of what was just said, I can't agree that every international contractor could end up being a risk. We do a lot of work with international companies.

National Defence committee  It could be a risk.

National Defence committee  The contracting has definitely increased, and I think that it's primarily a long-term result of those cuts. We've never recovered from those.

National Defence committee  Sure. DCC is really embedded in National Defence. Everybody sees them as almost another employee. The challenge is that DCC staff have full access to the bases, so they're walking around looking for work. They look for work. They determine what work is needed. They'll walk ove

National Defence committee  Yes. The review services audit was performed, or at least a report was given, in October 2018. National Defence agreed to accept the recommendations. I think the analysis was supposed to begin by 2020. We are four years into it now.

National Defence committee  Absolutely. At nearly every labour management meeting that our members have—and there are many throughout the department—they review the contract services. They ask for the copy of the business case that was presented. Overwhelmingly, we are told there's no business case being d

National Defence committee  I've been a member of the union since the late nineties.

National Defence committee  I have two minutes. I'll be quick. I'm an Alberta talker. I'm slow. I think there have been some improvements. I think the union has a greater relationship with National Defence than it ever had before. Although we don't always agree, we are certainly able to have those discussi

National Defence committee  With regard to cultural improvement at the DND, no, we haven't seen much change at all, really, to be quite frank, when you're talking about the professional culture changes. Is that where you're going with that? It's been an ongoing challenge. I know that there's a lot of work