National Defence committee  I don't really believe that it is being done. From the example I gave you earlier about asking the management for that, it's simply not being done and they don't see it as their role. Perhaps it might be done on a much higher level, but then they wouldn't be able to apply the act

National Defence committee  I guess that's the catch, isn't it? We try to catch all of these, and they're nearly impossible to track because they're simply not being tracked. The oversight simply doesn't exist. So that's nearly impossible for us. I can't even really give you a fair answer about these sorts

National Defence committee  They were without cleaning services for about three weeks.

National Defence committee  Their bathrooms weren't being cleaned. The offices weren't being cleaned. None of the eating areas or living areas.... None of this was being looked after. It was just increasingly getting worse. The third contractor on base with the third contract was able to pinch hit, but the

National Defence committee  I'm not aware of that, but I'm not at all surprised either.

National Defence committee  I can certainly table the “Uncover the Costs” report. I think we can put something else together to make sure it's updated. Our contracting out committee report is from 2020, so we have some updates we can add.

National Defence committee  Yes.

National Defence committee  Sure. We've had a few challenges with Logistik. They have recently taken on a massive contract with National Defence. It's $3.7 billion over the next 20 years, and it will result in the elimination of 177 military clothing stores. They will be going from 240 down to 63, which is

National Defence committee  The costs are nearly impossible to track. The department is not upfront with the costs, and whenever we try to trace those, we don't get any feedback on it.

National Defence committee  Absolutely.

National Defence committee  This is a bit of a heartbreak. If you recall, in Petawawa a few years ago the GDI cleaners were on strike for four months. Finally, they got a contract, and then when the contract was reviewed again, GDI was not the winning bidder. What ended up happening was they brought in thr

National Defence committee  What's happening with our fitness trainers in the military is just outrageous. They're earning 62% less than the schedule I fitness trainers. It's just bizarre. The issue that causes them with morale is very difficult for them. It's hard for them to keep up their morale and feel

National Defence committee  We know 100% that all of the work done in kitchens could be done by public servants. In fact, on many bases, it is. There is some poor management and poor planning that is preventing that from happening. Then they're reliant on groups. DCC was recently trying to contract in kitch

National Defence committee  I have to say I'm in agreement with Jennifer. I think there certainly is an opportunity for contractors to work at National Defence. We have some very short-term, specialized work that requires the expertise of a contractor. In my job at National Defence in the counterterrori

National Defence committee  It's a very unfortunate situation that we're in. The contract inspectors are the very members I represent and they routinely come to me and tell me that they are overworked and undermanned. It's impossible to keep up any of those inspections or the oversight they're required to d