National Defence committee  That's okay. I just want to bring to your attention that in October 2018 the ADM review services conducted an audit of all the facility maintenance contracts. This audit concluded that the department was not completing a value-for-money analysis on the outsourcing it was doing.

National Defence committee  That's an excellent question. Thank you. It's really puzzling, isn't it? It's almost impossible to figure out why, because it defies all logic. None of us would run our households this way, and yet for some reason National Defence continues to. A big challenge is that there is

National Defence committee  Thank you for the opportunity to appear today. I'm June Winger. I'm the national president for the Union of National Defence Employees. Our union represents 20,000 civilian defence workers. Our members ensure that military operations are mission-ready at all times and that milit

National Defence committee  Thank you very much for the opportunity to appear today, Mr. Chair. The Union of National Defence Employees represents 20,000 civilian defence workers. Our members ensure that military operations are mission-ready at all times and that military members have safe and secure plac

Government Operations committee  Can I ask you to repeat the question, please?

Government Operations committee  Our previous deputy minister, Jody Thomas, had indicated that she was no longer going to allow a free rein among local management in determining what public service work would be contracted out. She said essentially, from my perspective, that she wanted a business case demonstrat

Government Operations committee  I haven't yet seen one in regard to the contracting work.

Government Operations committee  I think it's much higher than it needs to be. We could have the work done by public servants who are just as well trained and who are even more experienced and even more aware of the needs of the department, and we could be managing it so much better than by just going to the con

Government Operations committee  We have not filed any grievances because we weren't able to get the Treasury Board to agree to allow us to bring that language into our collective agreement, as it is with PIPSC's collective agreement.

Government Operations committee  It will depend on how they do that, right? We have a large number of contracts at National Defence, but when we filed our access to information request to be able to review the reports on whether the work was completed correctly, or at all, we weren't able to find those. National

Government Operations committee  Again, I'll believe it when I see it. I see lots of reports being written on behalf of National Defence and by National Defence, and the problem isn't not having the right ideas or having the reports written; the problem is having them actioned and doing something with them.

Government Operations committee  We have a great deal of challenges when it comes to vacancies. Certainly National Defence is not unlike any other department. They have a salary wage envelope that they draw the monies from to pay for their public servants and they have an operations and management budget that

Government Operations committee  Absolutely. Absolutely.

Government Operations committee  I would expect that the way our members would be able to assist with the cultural shift work would be in being able to speak from their experiences of exactly what the challenges are from their perspective and the consequences to some of the actions that are considered as recomme

Government Operations committee  I think a whole host of partners need to be there. It's not just one single group, for certain.