Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Dr. Wiebe, I just want to let you know that I'm sure all committee members appreciate the humility of your testimony. Dr. Smith said in previous testimony that he felt that the Government of Canada should accept all—

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  I've moved it. Thank you so much. Dr. Smith in his previous testimony said that he felt that the Government of Canada should accept all of the recommendations of the expert panel report. Would you agree with that?

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Excuse me, Dr. Wiebe. Would you be able to write that concern down and send it to us so that we will have that concern?

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  There are couple of things in that report that address some of the concerns that other witnesses have had, one being the idea of having a national framework up for case review for educational and quality assurance purposes, a national framework for protective oversight, and impro

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  That would have to be done as soon as possible.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  There is training of assessors and providers, item 15. Would you agree with that as well, and do you have anything to tell our committee about any training programs that are currently being developed?

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  My understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, was that this was going to be credentialed by the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada and the College of Family Physicians of Canada. Is that correct?

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  It includes indigenous physicians, indigenous nurses and the Canadian Nurses Association, and multiple other stakeholders in the medical and health-providing fields?

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  So we don't know.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  That's fine, so we don't have that information. What you're talking to us about is very speculative, and you're extrapolating from use in palliative care and demoralization to people whose sole underlying condition is a mental disorder.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  No, but this is for people seeking MAID.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  There we go. The fact that we don't have evidence and you're extrapolating from other data is important. Dr. McKenzie, you make really good points, and obviously the social determinants of health are essential to establish. Do you think people seeking MAID who are in precarious

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  All right. Thank you very much.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and thank you to the witnesses. My first question is for Mr. Krausert. You talked about MAID opening the door to suicide and the presence of MAID having the impact of legitimizing suicide. Have the rates of suicide in Canada before MAID changed s

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  No, I'm not asking about that. You were not talking about mental disorders. You were talking about suicide in general because of MAID. I'm asking you a question on the rates of suicide.