Public Safety committee  If I can pick up on what Mr. de Boer was saying in terms of incentives for those small and medium organizations, if we enable the larger organizations to share openly, truthfully and fully with the small and medium organizations about what they're seeing and doing, and support th

Public Safety committee  I'll take the last question first, which is the reference to joining the CCTX. In fact, I said a Canadian cyber-collaboration organization—not necessarily ours, although that would be wonderful. When I said there's no cost, it's that there's no cost to the government for that b

Public Safety committee  There was certainly an opportunity for consultation several years ago. We participated in that with our members, as well, because we reached out to them. It became a trickle-down process, but it would be nice to see something like Bill C-26 running in concert with a national cybe

Public Safety committee  That may be harsh. Canada is increasingly a target because it pays ransom. There are countries that organizations intentionally don't attack because they don't pay ransom. Canada generally pays ransom—

Public Safety committee  I would say that there's a balancing act. The bill is important; there is absolutely no question. There's also no question that it needs some modification. I think that with a little effort, enough of the bill can be fixed effectively to make it good legislation that can then be

Public Safety committee  Okay. I'll keep it very short. What are the impacts if this legislation doesn't pass? Well, look at what happened with the Colonial gas pipeline. There is at least one death confirmed to be attributed to that. What's the impact? Death. Let's be simple. If gas doesn't flow, if ph

Public Safety committee  Thank you for the question. I'm very glad we can address the labour shortage here. What I suggested was enabling organizations in Canada to report, speak publicly and share information about threats, attacks and incidents without fear of liability. In doing that, we're minimizi

Public Safety committee  I think my colleague Francis Bradley talked about safe harbour legislation, which is what they call it in the U.S. It's what they have in the U.S. Through the effective drafting of something like what they have in the U.S., we can create that fine balance, and that's what we woul

Public Safety committee  There are huge risks. These are risks that start with how we will lose the faith of our Five Eyes partners. We will lose the faith and trust of the cross-border relationships that we have through NERC and FERC and all the other ones. We will also lose resources and revenue.

Public Safety committee  In my remarks, I did comment on the rest of the economy. The truth is, the rest of the economy largely supports these six sectors: the supply chain, which this legislation does cover. Critical infrastructure is now required to be aware of and responsible for the reporting of th

Public Safety committee  Our critical infrastructure sectors are perhaps some of the most sophisticated. They have some of the most sophisticated cyber-defences in all of Canada and are very much aligned with the same sectors in other countries, particularly on the electricity side because of the cross-b

Public Safety committee  Good morning, Mr. Chair. Thank you, all. I have the honour of being here today representing the Canadian Cyber Threat Exchange, which is an organization created by Canadian companies to provide a safe environment for members to share cyber-threat information and collaborate by

Public Safety committee  Absolutely. Mandatory reporting is a good concept. It certainly assists the government to understand the size of the threat, but if the information that we learn from that mandatory reporting is not disseminated to the greater economy to help it defend against the same threat, th

Public Safety committee  I would suggest that we start with the safe harbour legislation. Make it easier for organizations that have been attacked, through any of the methods, to not just report that they were attacked but to tell the world what happened. That creates transparency on the threat and helps

Public Safety committee  Thank you again for the question, Ms. Dancho. You're absolutely correct. The small and medium-sized enterprises make up 98% of our economy, so in fact they're not just the supply chain for the large corporations but for the entire economy. They undoubtedly represent our weakest