Information & Ethics committee  I would disagree, because of the policies that exist, which say you can use it for personal use. They haven't been clarified. I pose to you, if deputy ministers aren't following their own directives, how are the employees—

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, if there's a directive.... Treasury Board says all the time that there are directives that need to be followed. I expect that departments should be following those directives. They are the senior leaders.

Information & Ethics committee  Whether it lies with the Privacy Commissioner or deputy ministers in their department.... You have seen with the 13 departments that they scrambled to give you information, they scrambled to know where it was being used, and they scrambled to provide you with testimony. There sho

Information & Ethics committee  I don't believe so.

Information & Ethics committee  I wasn't surprised. I'm disappointed but not surprised. As we have decentralization of the federal public service, this is common for most of the violations that we see. There's little oversight in departments on some of these policies, and we need to have better oversight.

Information & Ethics committee  Absolutely not.

Information & Ethics committee  It definitely is. Again, when we have departments that can decide what to do on their own without any kind of oversight, if we're not watching, then they're not doing. When it comes to the privacy assessment, I did hear, “Well, they said we did one way back.” I would say that

Information & Ethics committee  Again, let's talk about repercussions. You now have 13 departments that said they didn't do them: “Oops, sorry.” There are no repercussions. It's going to take repercussions. It's going to take you taking away authority from deputy ministers. It's going to take you actually get

Information & Ethics committee  We have this testimony, but it's not clear. Every department has come in and given you a different version of how they're using it. If it is true that you're handing your device off to a third party, why do the departments actually buy and procure this software and have it in-hou

Information & Ethics committee  Again, I referred to a policy. I will get you the actual name of the policy, but it does say that work devices can be used for personal use if it doesn't interfere with the work they are doing, if it's done on personal time. The misconception is that it is only an employer device

Information & Ethics committee  I don't believe so. Again, when I talk about decentralization, each department that hands out these devices would be responsible for making those disclosures, and it's not done in a consistent manner that is gathered at the higher level.

Information & Ethics committee  It would be helpful if they made those disclosures, but again, if a policy says that you can, we really need to specify and drill down on what information would be gathered from your phone if under an investigation.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes. I do believe that, when investigating that, you should be using tools, but it should be very clear to the employee what you will access. I don't believe that the policies right now are clear that they could go and search in your back history and delete it and encrypt it and

Information & Ethics committee  That I can't tell you. That would probably be a question for the departments. There is no consistent policy on who can access that. It is really on an individual basis that they are issued.

Information & Ethics committee  I'll be concise. You may not know that there is already a policy on using digital devices. In that policy, it says that you can actually use the government devices for personal use if it does not interfere with your work, if it is done on your own time. I'm not sure that this wa