Information & Ethics committee  No.

Information & Ethics committee  Thank you. Unlike Mr. Rubin, I'm not going to talk about what needs to be done. I'm going to tell you how it exists and the reality of the situation for whistle-blowers, for people who are trying to find out what's going on. ATIP is supposed to help, not be the guardians of the

Information & Ethics committee  Okay. Quickly speaking, whistle-blowers can't wait for these long delays. They don't go through access anymore. There's no point. They're exposed. The longer it sits as a request, the more likely it is that they are going to be spotted and exposed, so they don't want to go there