Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  There's a sociologist in Haiti. Her name is Michèle Oriol. She said that one of the really big problems of the national police in Haiti is not necessarily the materiel they have. She said the recruitment of the police in Haiti is part of the failure of this organization. The peop

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes, I would like to leave room to the other two witnesses, if they want to take the floor on this, but still, what I'm saying is that whatever it is, the police in Haiti need reform because there is a small army in the country that is not relevant in the solution. So the solutio

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Let's work with them. Let's invite them. I was listening to those two senators who were sanctioned by Canada. That was a surprise, because they said they have always been allies of Canada. They were invited by the Government of Canada and by the Government of Quebec. Maybe Cana

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Most of the gangs wanted to overthrow Jovenel Moïse's government from the start. After that, they always maintained that Ariel Henry's government had to be overthrown. What I'm telling you can be verified: these gangs even publish videos in which they say they want to overthrow t

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  In fact, the Montana agreement wasn't part of the deal; they would be the ones forming the transitional government. It's all documented, there's no doubt about it. So it's a civil war because the goal is to overthrow the current government.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  I have been asking for that, for many years—that Canada be part of this. I have talked about it with Monsieur Carrière, who is the ambassador in Haiti. What Haiti needs, right now, is popular education in democracy. Overnight, we went from a dictatorship to a democracy, which e

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes, it would be useful and I hope you're going to put some more names on the list. This is going to send a message straight to the political and business classes that things done in that country.... In fact, putting people on the list is a message to Canadians. It tells Canadi

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  We agree on this. If we want to work on trade capacity-building, security has to be the first item that we have to solve. Why would you invest in a country where you might lose all your investment because of gangs?

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  If I may, I'd like to answer that question by saying that what we're seeing in Haiti right now is a civil war. One of the gangs, which is named “Mouvement révolutionnaire G9”, has an objective of overthrowing the government. In the past months, they have, in the first place, as

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  The one that we talk most about is “G9 en famille”, the “Mouvement révolutionnaire”. One of the senators that was sanctioned by Canada, Joseph Lambert, had said at one point, “If ever we want to dismantle the gangs, we also have to keep in mind that there are some of them who a

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes, you're correct.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  Yes. But I want to emphasize that their definition of “revolutionary” is not the way I see a revolution. I just want to make sure that.... They are still criminals, not people who want the good for their country.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  I have not seen any support for Ariel Henry in the diaspora, and I believe everyone has understood that his government is illegitimate. Personally, I say it is not a government. However, I want to point out that whatever solution is put in place, whether it be the Montana accord

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  It is not important to me. The situation in the country is too serious to dwell on symbols. There are lives at stake. Women, girls, people are being raped, children are becoming child soldiers. We are not there.

Subcommittee on International Human Rights committee  We shall see after.