Science and Research committee  No, and the IP sometimes—not always, but sometimes—rests with the Chinese company. Yes, that's yet another dimension. There are many dimensions to this problem. That's why it's taken a while for the government to get its head around it.

Science and Research committee  Again, ASPI has developed a critical technology tracker that shows that China leads now in 37 of 44 technologies. That's a big concern. One of the reasons they're leading is they've been standing on the shoulders of Canadian, U.K. and U.S. researchers. The U.S. is next after Chin

Science and Research committee  It's very hard to compete with China, because they're pouring trillions into research and development. We don't have the money to compete with that. We were at our peak in R and D investment back in the early 2000s, when we had a surplus. Since we lost our surplus, there has been

Science and Research committee  In fact, when the government indicated it was going to broaden beyond NSERC and go to CIHR and SSHRC, I noticed that Genome Canada was missing. I was very concerned. About a year ago, Radio-Canada did a major investigation of the Chinese company BGI and the genomic research it wa

Science and Research committee  Yes, I think those are the four. When it became public—that it was being expanded to the three—I was interviewed. I suggested that Genome Canada also be added. I don't know whether that will be done.

Science and Research committee  I do indeed. That's the way the researchers see it. They say, “My friends of 25 years in China would never do anything unseemly.” However, when military researchers are part of the research process, they can redirect the research to their priorities in the PLA, whether it's thro

Science and Research committee  That's very clear. Their top targets are the U.S., the U.K. and then Canada. Again, ASPI has done a lot of statistical work on the extent to which there are Chinese military researchers in our universities now. That's a big concern. Canada's among the top, and the reason is that

Science and Research committee  Are you asking—

Science and Research committee  You mean under China's control?

Science and Research committee  Perhaps Ms. Puglisi would know better than I, but I know that there's been a lot of collaboration with Germany and with Australia. Australia's now getting on top of that and is really a model for Canada. In terms of the Five Eyes coordinating, I believe there's a lot of consulta

Science and Research committee  A lot of this work has been done already by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. We can adopt their list with great comfort and security. For the federal government to convey to the provinces how the list was developed, maybe have some people from ASPI come and meet with

Science and Research committee  Yes, Mr. Chair. I think that would be a very good place to start. Having come from the world of federal-provincial relations, I know that those things can drag on. I would hope that those consultations would be held in a very speedy manner, which will convey the level of urgenc

Science and Research committee  I believe it was around 36 of the NSERC proposals in the first round. I believe that's where that two-thirds statistic came from. Again, it's a very concerning number.

Science and Research committee  I believe that a more detailed national security review was done for each of those, which involved both ISED and CSIS officials.

Science and Research committee  I certainly think that Australia's measure is an interesting one: simply stating transparently what the proposed partnerships are. That's one piece of it, but there are a lot of other pieces as well. We have to keep in mind as well that China does not have a reciprocal arrangeme