Human Resources committee  I see the disparity in who is benefiting from it right now. It advantages higher-income families, because they were already in the centres because they could afford it. People of lower income are not benefiting from it right now. Given the purpose of the program, I would like to

Human Resources committee  Certainly, for women who own centres right now, it is to make sure that the funding provided to them through CWELCC will include their facility cost, their loans and their unpaid equity, which is basically what we call profit. That chunk of money that would come from government t

Human Resources committee  No, that's right. In not-for-profit organizations, you have whole layers of administration doing exactly what the owners were doing, managing the build project and overseeing many aspects. They have skin in the game, so they're there more often. There is a higher level of oversi

Human Resources committee  That's why fees are higher in a for-profit centre. They have to be, because they have to cover all the things government provides to non-profits for free. The facilities, the years of creating it—everything is already there. That's the difference.

Human Resources committee  We have 147 spaces as well as 24 half-time spaces, going all the way from infant up to kindergarten. Our centre is 100% full. There is not one empty space in our centre. At the moment, we have around 600 names on our wait-list. They are for spots in the next year and a half. It

Human Resources committee  Certainly. Our OAICC members are mostly women who took a risk and opened up a child care centre. They took out loans and mortgages on their houses. It's very expensive. We're talking hundreds of thousands, going into the millions, to open a centre. Some of these women are recen

Human Resources committee  Thank you for inviting me to speak today. My name is Maggie Moser. I'm a member of the board of the Ontario Association of Independent Childcare Centres, which represents the small business owners—mainly women—of for-profit, licensed child care centres. These centres are not hom

Human Resources committee  Yes. Thank you. I want to thank everyone for having invited me here as a witness. I just wanted to ask, after an hour and 15 minutes of listening to this discussion, if I can leave at this point. It looks like you don't have any intention of hearing the witnesses this evening. I