Human Resources committee  I don't know. Maybe Mr. Dixon may well be able to provide a number on that.

Human Resources committee  In terms of CMHC, we talked a little, earlier.... Through the chair, [Inaudible—Editor] engaged Mr. Dixon about the mortgage insurance rates that have been increased. Increasing those now will certainly be detrimental to getting.... We are in a crisis. We don't want to be alarmists, but I think we all acknowledge this is a crisis.

Human Resources committee  When you look at the costs that go into building rental projects and how that squares with being able to provide affordable housing, you've had many witnesses here—whether it was on Tuesday or today—talking to you about the challenges in getting purposeful rental projects built that can also be affordable.

Human Resources committee  I'm sorry...?

Human Resources committee  I think it's tough to give a blanket response to how much it is. I think it depends on the project and jurisdiction. The reality is that government fees and charges are a huge cost. If you look at the overall cost of a project, government fees and charges and, I would say, red tape caused by sort of the delays and the time it takes....

Human Resources committee  It's a great question. We talk about how it really does need to be an all-hands-on-deck approach. Every level of government needs to be committed to getting more rental housing built. I guess in the context of these hearings and this meeting happening today, you want solutions and we want to provide them; but certainly, as I said in my remarks, policies that would disincentivize, that would in fact make it tougher to get housing built, seem like completely the wrong approach to be taking.

Human Resources committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good morning. My name is Tony Irwin. I am president and CEO of the Federation of Rental-housing Providers of Ontario, or FRPO. FRPO has been a leading voice of the rental housing industry for over 30 years. We represent more than 2,200 members who own and/or manage over 350,000 rental homes across the province of Ontario.